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Originally Posted by Dimman
@ DarkSunrise
^ You missed this one. It's a bit relevant. Heh...
And I'm not sure you are fully grasping what I'm saying with regards to the FM.
This oversimplification seems required when 'proof' of not being correct on chassis sharing is offered by way of ground clearance and CoG figures, for fuck sakes...
So the explanation ends up: FM shared chassis = all these cars. Most similar of compared shared chassis Nissans to BRZ/Impreza are G Coupe/G Sedan. Exact, no. But out of the examples, the best.
Onto the Supra example, of course the rest of the parts are the same. That is the point. It's the exact same car, yet there are parts that don't direct swap. This reinforces what I've explained with regards to chassis architecture and shared platforms. If identical vehicles have different not direct swap engines, does that make it less the same because a G Sedan and G Coupe do direct swap?
The FX35 isn't a mildly modified 350Z FM, they were designed from the beginning to share parts, a platform.
The design requirements for the FM were dictated, and always are, by the heaviest intended design and all optional components. This is one of the reasons the 350Z isn't as light as it could be. So in actuality the 350Z sort of IS a lightly modified FX45 with the V8 and AWD. But the primary architecture is shared. This is the same thing with the BRZ and Impreza, only less extreme. Same motor family, suspension architecture, brake architecture, structure of the floor pan and unibody architecture, blah, blah, blah...
The whole point of this was to refute the 'not an Impreza based car' claim. It unquestionably is Impreza based and we've known this for 5 years.
Some related reading by 'Chubby Cheddar':
http://m.caranddriver.com/columns/pl...ummies-feature |
Everyone understands that when Subaru started designing the BRZ, they started working off a shortened Impreza chassis. I wrote that in my first post, so I'm not sure who you're debating with on that point.
The main issue was your statement about the BRZ being a lightly modified Impreza chassis, which I understand you've now abandoned. Although you do overgeneralize again saying
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Originally Posted by Dimman
So in actuality the 350Z sort of IS a lightly modified FX45 with the V8 and AWD.
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If you honestly view an AWD V8 FX45 as a "lightly modified" 350z FM chassis, then I can see how we'd be at ends on this (and a lot of other points).
On your third point, if you still think that the differences between a BRZ and Impreza are about the same as a G35 coupe and sedan despite the wholesale compatibility of nearly everything in the latter and next to nothing in the former, then I doubt I'm going to get through to you on this either. As I've said before, you can't say the two are about the same when on one, the majority of fundamental parts are the same or swap over (engine, engine location/mounts, suspension, interior), and on the other, 90% of the parts are
incompatible. That makes no sense.
But as Tcoat says, maybe it comes down to semantics and how you use the words "about the same" and "lightly modified".