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themadscientist · 01-19-2015, 07:35 PM

Nope, the redtop SR20 was the first gen and that's what all the kids wanted then they wanted the blacktop, then they wanted the variable timing yadadyada, always chasing the next thing. You want the SR20 and the S platform with ten years of development to compare to? Ok, lets

Some people think the turbo is cheating. I don't agree, but as a nod to them and to you for bringing it up, we will look at a Spec S S15.

200 hp and 158 lbft versus the FRS' 200 hp and 151 lbft. 7lbft may not seem like much, but torque is where it's at and any more is welcome. Source: http://fastestlaps.com/cars/nissan_s...-s_autech.html

That torque certainly helps the Silvia deliver the 5.7 second 0-60 time that easily eclipses the FRS' 6.4. 0.7 seconds may not seem like a lot, but that should be more than enough for the FRS driver to be able to describe the Silvia's ass in vivid detail.

Ah, but the Silvia is 2640 lbs to the FRS' 2806. That, gentlemen, is called math. More torque in a lighter car? You know where to place your bet.

I had an S13 Q Silvia (Q denotes non turbo) and mine wasn't even the SR20, it was the CA18, the 1.8. I stripped it down as much as possible. No AC, no power steering, no interior. Just twp seats and a dash. I used to cut myself on the exposed steel inner doors. That car was loud. That car was hot and cold (Katy Perry rode in it, coincidence?) but it was FUN! On a roll I could harass most cars with it and many I could run with. Math strikes again. I know a nonturbo Silvia is is fun and I know the S15 would be a tough competitor to the FRS. You should run, don't walk, to your local Nissan dealer and buy one. Oh yeah, that's right....

Get it now?

When I drove the BRZ I immediately felt that same "adequate" power with that same sort of Chihuahua fearlessness that made the numbers seem bigger and the smile creep across my face like that old Silvia did. Importantly, however, the interior was plush and not likely to burn me, cut me or slice me. I had a six speaker stereo and dual zone AC and all the creature comforts of a nice mid-priced car, but this little thing was itching to get in trouble. All the positives with none of the negatives. The decision for me was easy. It's like Subaru and Toyota was reading my mind.

I think the frustrated people are absolutely right, though, when they say the engine has little power, when they say it's "slow." Comparatively, yes, it does and yes it is, but it seems that the power figure fit the designer's target. If you want a little bit more, the car can deliver that with some extra goodies thrown on; you are still in the envelope. If the power is a serious deal breaker for you, you are looking for a different car. There's nothing wrong with what you want and there's nothing wrong with the car, the two just don't match.

Jay gets it. The word is "fun."

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUIo_UMcrVE"]2013 Scion FR-S - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube[/ame]

01-19-2015, 07:35 PM	#33
themadscientist Hotlink Terrorist Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2015 WRB BRZ Spec S Location: "Dirty South" Japan Posts: 2,077 Thanks: 1,525 Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,196 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nope, the redtop SR20 was the first gen and that's what all the kids wanted then they wanted the blacktop, then they wanted the variable timing yadadyada, always chasing the next thing. You want the SR20 and the S platform with ten years of development to compare to? Ok, lets Some people think the turbo is cheating. I don't agree, but as a nod to them and to you for bringing it up, we will look at a Spec S S15. 200 hp and 158 lbft versus the FRS' 200 hp and 151 lbft. 7lbft may not seem like much, but torque is where it's at and any more is welcome. Source: http://fastestlaps.com/cars/nissan_s...-s_autech.html That torque certainly helps the Silvia deliver the 5.7 second 0-60 time that easily eclipses the FRS' 6.4. 0.7 seconds may not seem like a lot, but that should be more than enough for the FRS driver to be able to describe the Silvia's ass in vivid detail. Ah, but the Silvia is 2640 lbs to the FRS' 2806. That, gentlemen, is called math. More torque in a lighter car? You know where to place your bet. I had an S13 Q Silvia (Q denotes non turbo) and mine wasn't even the SR20, it was the CA18, the 1.8. I stripped it down as much as possible. No AC, no power steering, no interior. Just twp seats and a dash. I used to cut myself on the exposed steel inner doors. That car was loud. That car was hot and cold (Katy Perry rode in it, coincidence?) but it was FUN! On a roll I could harass most cars with it and many I could run with. Math strikes again. I know a nonturbo Silvia is is fun and I know the S15 would be a tough competitor to the FRS. You should run, don't walk, to your local Nissan dealer and buy one. Oh yeah, that's right.... Get it now? When I drove the BRZ I immediately felt that same "adequate" power with that same sort of Chihuahua fearlessness that made the numbers seem bigger and the smile creep across my face like that old Silvia did. Importantly, however, the interior was plush and not likely to burn me, cut me or slice me. I had a six speaker stereo and dual zone AC and all the creature comforts of a nice mid-priced car, but this little thing was itching to get in trouble. All the positives with none of the negatives. The decision for me was easy. It's like Subaru and Toyota was reading my mind. I think the frustrated people are absolutely right, though, when they say the engine has little power, when they say it's "slow." Comparatively, yes, it does and yes it is, but it seems that the power figure fit the designer's target. If you want a little bit more, the car can deliver that with some extra goodies thrown on; you are still in the envelope. If the power is a serious deal breaker for you, you are looking for a different car. There's nothing wrong with what you want and there's nothing wrong with the car, the two just don't match. Jay gets it. The word is "fun." [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUIo_UMcrVE"]2013 Scion FR-S - Jay Leno's Garage - YouTube[/ame]