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Originally Posted by tennisfreak
A. s2k were no 30k cars they were 40k cars.
B. More like a 250hp car that weighs 2800lbs for 30k would be ideal and achievable.
I completely agree with ya on this one. What I hope is that Toyota sees the success from the existing 86 platform and also sees its shortcomings and hopefully plans future cars around it.
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please read the previous posts. to see context. i said 220hp because felt that was about what you might get from a supercharged fa20 with 180 torque.
Why does everyone keep spouting your example of B? How are you going to get to 250hp? turbo? turbo adds more torque relative to hp. so the cheap way to turbo would be to use wrx components. 270hp, 268 torque. what transmission are you going to use to take 268 torque? do the axles survive that? (i highly doubt it) Are you going to beef up the chassis and driveline components for the 200hp version to get economies of scale to make a car with 2 versions? What engine these days can rev to the moon like the f22c1, which is what you need for high hp and manageable torque.
i'll just quote what I posted previously because people don't seem to read more than one post up.
"I don't see how people expect to see a fr-s/brz with more hp. What transmission are they going to use? what drivetrain are they going to use? how much weight is it going to add? are you going to use the beefier parts in the smaller engine brz (like all the other cars with multiple engine offerings) and add to the weight?
Would people buy either a 200hp 3000lb twin or a 270hp 3100lb twin that costs 35k?
Light weight, high hp, cost. Pick at most 2 out of 3, usually more like 1.5. MR cars don't sell well so scratch that off the list. Name me a modern car (that passes modern safety standards) that you classify as light weight and good enough hp. The s2k is closest historically with laxer emission standards. And it only had 10 more ft. lbs of torque than the brz, so don't even think about small displacement turbos, they put out huge torque for their hp. Beefier torque needs beefier everything. If it were so easy to make a <3000lb >300hp <30k car you think people wouldn't make it? Go look at the actual weights of modern cars. Safety standards hurts.
"light weight" is a luxury of MR cars or kit cars or cars of the past with shitty tires, no safety standards, and no torque. You can't have everything. it's like a line at the budget trade off. And if you hear what the actual bean counters and engineers at toyota are saying, they think they chose the wrong point in the line. It currently goes like, miata -> twins -> nissan z, bmw's -> mustang/camaro. And toyota thinks the market segment that needs catering to is under the miata. same with honda with the s660. I really wonder what the heck nissan is going to do with the z car. I can't see a good niche for it. "