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Originally Posted by Koa
Did you get the TSB flash updates ...
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The dealer had the car for two days and ensured that the software was the latest and greatest available from Scion.
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Originally Posted by Koa
Have you tried tuning? ...
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I am not exactly sure why I should invest in after market tuning when I think I have every right to expect Scion to deliver a vehicle that idles correctly in the first place. I gave them 100% of the money they were expecting and they seem to be happy to give me 99.5% of the vehicle I was expecting.
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Originally Posted by Koa
Steve hit it on the head.
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Originally Posted by steve99
You guys in usa/canada have had quite a few ECU calid updates to supposedly fix the idle issue for auto/manuals, we got a couple of updates in Oz as well not as many as you guys though, does not appear to be as much of an issue in Oz
ZA1J700D original
900D idle / VVT cam fix
A00D idle / VVT cam fix 2
A01D transient retard DI seal fix
B00D idle fix
B01D more idle fix for A/C 2 last rom id for My 2014 and earlier cars
D00D latest calid for auto my2015
looks like they still have not got it sorted completely yet.
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We agree that Steve did "hit it on the head" in that they don't seem to have it all sorted out yet.
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Originally Posted by Koa
... Your 50 years of automotive experience is nullified by the vast changes in car ECU architecture and implementation. Do you realize that it's above and beyond just simple mechanisms and that our idle is controlled by a complex ECU? ...
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Really?
And all this time I thought that "fly-by-wire" systems meant that they had decreased the size of the throttle cable.
I also did not know that one of the significant engineering trade-offs required during the advancement of automotive technology was "it has become so complex that the engine will no longer idle smoothly".
I also find it strange that the technological advancements and increase in complexity have not affected all vehicles. There appear to be many available that do not exhibit the idle hunting that the FR-S does. Why is that?
When you are thru insulting my intelligence maybe we can have a meaningful conversation.
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