[KeepGuessing]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

1) Proof of "numerous confirmed duplications" of RSX-S 0-60 in less than 6.4 seconds

Where's numerous accounts of BRZ runing 6.4 seconds without a roll-out?

Where's ANY account of BRZ running 6.4 seconds without roll out...Show me that while you're at it..

Until then 6.4 is an absolutely arbitrary number that has ABSOLUTELY no relevance..as 6.4 was done by Motor Trend..Who records their 0-60 time..using a rollout...

Motor trend has confirmed this which is why their 0-60 times are always much faster than every other standard test performed on vehicles..

and in response to MID 6 second 0-60's..

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

The '05 Type-S sprints to 60 mph in 6.2 seconds

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ype-s-page-6-1

Our underdog victor offers the worst 0-to-60 time (6.4 seconds)

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...s/viewall.html

our test car clocked a 6.5-second sprint to 60 mph

Those are along with Road&track/MT..Evo didn't have a review i could find...Edmunds only had MFC estimates.

2) You honestly think because this dyno shows 167 whp that it couldn't be an RSX-S?

Yes....I do honestly think because the Graph shows LESS power than the BRZ..it'd be a different car or a RSX-S that had been run ragged..why?
Because i'm assuming (unless you don't know how dyno's work) that these tests were done in the same conditions or AT LEAST similar conditions on the same type/brand of dyno....So that rules out variation from brand/type drum size and other environmental impacts...

That leaves us with the parasitic loss of rotational inertia...In which, the RSX-S has less and the Subaru has MORE....Meaning the subaru LOSES more between it's path from the output shaft to the rubber.

Now if we have 2 cars that are BOTH 200HP (actually one is 200 (RSX-S) one is 198(BRZ)) on the same dyno their results should not only be closer...but the RSX-s should have a slight advantage in peak HP production from THOSE indications alone...

Which is why it's simple to come to the conclusion it is either not a RSX-S but a RSX+ a part or two...Or a RSX-S who's worn to crap.

Originally Posted by KeepGuessing

..Or maybe this was just some old sloppy RSX-S on the drums...

but i'm assuming you missed that part..

3) The RSX-S isn't a 210 hp car, the rating changed from 05-06.

And the relevance of that is ZERO, because whether or not the 210HP is a pre-post standardization rating..The result is MORE power than 200ps..So the RSX-S is either 210HP or 207HP, both of which are more than 198hp, unless that rule has changed at some point in time that unless it's value is 230 or higher it doesn't count.

In today's rating system, it's 200. In fact, the 02-04 RSX-S was rated at 200 under the old system, meaning in today's rating, it'd be in the 19X range. Also understand manufacturer's ratings of their cars will also vary. Trying to argue a RWD BRZ can't ever dyno more than a k20a2 RSX-S is ridiculous. In fact, the chart above proves it already happened.

One I don't remember anyone specifying we would compare the older less powerful RSX-S to the new car..That seems kind of silly don't you think there bud?

In todays system it's 201hp when calculated for proper humidity etc etc (which to reiterate..IS STILL more than 200ps)....THAT is a SAE standardization in order to protect consumers with cars off the lot..So companies couldn't take advantage of them with inflated numbers here and there..

Big thumbs up to clearing up the fact big business can't lie to us about power ratings they produced in a ice cold room in an oxygen rich environment...

Now guess what didn't change with the SAE standards? Metric ratings...
which brings us to 210ps to the BRZ's 200ps....
So yes..Manufacturer ratings will vary..Good thing you've said that, because the only reliable source of data we'd have would be the data collected from repeated experiments...

And guess what that would be? Multiple dynomometer readings...

Multiple dynamometer readings are easily available for the RSX-S..K20A and K20Z...easy easy peezy..

however the "2" we have availible to us for the BRZ avg out to 168WHP...but even with the generous 173WHP rating of inside lines dyno...That puts it square in the cross hairs of what the older series RSX-S dyno regularly..

Actually that 164 of Cobb tuning to the 173 of Inside line is the EXACT parameters in which Pre-05 RSX-S's dyno on avg.....
Meanwhile the 05+ RSX-S...Dynos on avg, a tad bit higher than both of them..

now we take a big circle back to the "RSX-S should have a slight advantage on power production than the BRZ simply because their power production is so similar yet the RSX-s spins the front tires" And if you want to throw in the old RSX girl into the equation then you get the "the RSX-S produces slightly less, but due to the nature of FWD should put about the same power to the ground"..but since no one mentioned the OLD RSX-S there's no need to bring it up.

So what we're left with....Is a RSX-S that gets more power to the ground, accelerates faster to 60...and has more revs and tighter gears to work with...Making the whole "you won't notice the dip because the GIGANTIC 7Ftlbs of torque will quash that discrepancy" incorrect....