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Originally Posted by KeepGuessing
It's not a moot point...
For ONE....As it stands the RSX-S does/Did net faster 0-60 sprints with numerous confirmed duplications of these faster times..All WITHOUT 5 foot rollouts
Next "Feeling stronger" is a 1000000% subjective term...The phrase "feeling stronger" means less than zero in the grand scheme of things. There are people who feel the RX8 "felt" strong enough around town..There are cars with large amounts of torque that don't "feel" strong because of how well designed they are.
and lastly i'd like to say..
That dyno graph you posted doesn't seem to be a RSX-S..
Unless of course somehow through the course of wizardry The FWD driveline loses more power than a RWD one, despite that going against quite a few mathematics fundamentals.
notice how the "200-210HP" FWD car produces... ~165... While the "200hp" RWD car produces ~173?
Meanwhile RSX-S's dyno at 176+ regularly depending on K20A or K20Z..Or maybe this was just some old sloppy RSX-S on the drums....That and the incorrect torque values as-well...
So now we take into account that the K20Z1 is producing...7less Ftlbs Outside of the vehicle...and loses less power due to the drivetrain, it puts these 2 cars torque production nearly identical quantitatively once the rubber hits the road...Which is when the torque dip comes into play.
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1) Proof of "numerous confirmed duplications" of RSX-S 0-60 in less than 6.4 seconds.
2) You honestly think because this dyno shows 167 whp that it couldn't be an RSX-S? Not even a k20a2? Look at the chart. What other engine is going to put up a dyno plot with a redline at 7900 rpm and a VTEC crossover at 5800 rpm? Seriously man, think. Also realize that dynos vary, cars vary, and environmental conditions vary. Not every dyno of an RSX-S will be the same. Anyway feel free to overlay any of your 176+ whp stock k20a2 dynos (if you have any) over the BRZ dyno. 167 whp or 176 whp, it won't make much of a difference.
3) The RSX-S isn't a 210 hp car, the rating changed from 05-06. In today's rating system, it's 200. In fact, the 02-04 RSX-S was rated at 200 under the old system, meaning in today's rating, it'd be in the 19X range. Also understand manufacturer's ratings of their cars will also vary. Trying to argue a BRZ can't ever dyno more than a k20a2 RSX-S because it's RWD is ridiculous. In fact, the chart above proves it already happened.
4) And back to the original point, calculate torque to the wheels multiplied by gearing and
show me the RSX-S putting down more power than the BRZ in the midrange. Hint: the BRZ has shorter gearing than the 02-04 RSX-S (in addition to 20-30 lb-ft more torque through the powerband). This should be interesting...