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Originally Posted by Conor
The new -GR series Toyota V6s are very light and yes, reasonably compact. Not as good for weight distribution as a boxer engine, but still very good. Good enough that I seriously doubt most people could discern a handling difference.
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wait, you're comparing 2 Liter vs 3.5 Liter and saying it's very reasonable light compact? I'm sorry, how much that sucker weight and how long is the engine? boxer block is full aluminum just like 2GR minus 2 less cylinder weights. I know for damn sure 2GR isn't no where near 17 inches in length. IIRC 2GR is looking at 24" ~ 27" (at least).
Putting light weight car a heavier engine isn't make serious discern of a handling difference? No offense, but I highly doubt that. It's like saying putting v6 engine into Miata. I don't care how lightweight is that v6 engine is, unless that v6 engine is lighter than 1.6~2 liter i4 engine, it damn make a difference in handling. What cuz your MR2 has v6 swapped in there, so it's same w FR cars?
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Originally Posted by Conor
Well.. you have to look at this from an engineering cost standpoint.. The 2GRFSE is already developed. It's done. All the R&D costs have been covered, its long-term reliability is established and there's no additional cost to using the engine beyond simple manufacturing costs as if it were in an IS350 or GS350.
Developing a new H4 (aren't they? They're not just throwing a stock Subaru 2.5L in there, right?) means R&D costs, tooling expenses, parts-sourcing and development and so on..
So.. yeah, it would be easier and cheaper to just throw a developed, smog-certified powertrain into this bitch.
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What engineering cost standpoint? THEY'RE MAKING NEW CAR. What cost standpoint you're looking at? When they made new Altezza/IS350 why they made 2GR in there instead of 1JZ or 2JZ? Engineering cost standpoint, it's a waste to put new engine in there. They still put that 2GR in there.
It's gonna be new Yamaha engineered 2 Liter boxer engine. Yes, it's gonna cost em for tooling and blah blah blah, but from this time on when they wanna use that engine in different Toyota cars, they have it and don't have to spent more money on it. Just first time is always an expensive. Toyota cares? Hell no, they had a check written $15m for penalty fee for stuck pedals, but are they broke? Ha! Not even close.
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Originally Posted by Conor
4A, 3S and 2ZZ are all OLD engines. They won't meet modern emissions standards.
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I hope you're trolling. 2ZZ? Really they won't meet modern emission standards? Have you ever heard of Lotus Elise? Last time I checked, they still putting OLD 1ZZ & 2ZZ. Man, they must be stupid! Why they put those OLD engines. How about 3S? Have you ever heard of Toyota Caldina, they still use OLD 3S-GTE engine.
2GR have engine oil line problem, vibrations, and other problems. What, 2GR on 5th or 6th yr and already having problem? While ZZ & A engine been around 2~3 time more, used and they keep going. No wonder they still use em. Yeah, time to create new 2GR engine.
Look, I'm not saying 2GR isn't great engine. They already made 6 cylinder FR engine. It's time to move on to 4 cylinder FR car now.