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Originally Posted by abraxis
The comment was from some review saying specifically the BRZ headlights were dimmer than the FRS.
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I'm calling bullshit. If that's what someone wrote in a review, they were either blind or not comparing them properly.
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Originally Posted by abraxis
Plus you can negotiate on a Scion, that's just myth.
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Pure Price is not a myth. It exists. Scion dealers do have the ability to negotiate under certain circumstances, but they are far less likely to do so because they can be penalized by Toyota corporate for violating the policy. Whatever price they advertise is the price they're supposed to stick to. It's a marketing gimmick they sell as being "easier" than negotiating, but in reality if you look at sites like Edmunds to see what people are actually paying, the out-the-door prices are typically higher than the "higher priced" Subarus.
Where the Scion dealers are willing to negotiate is on trade ins. If they really want to get you in the car but can't budge on the price, they'll try giving you more on your trade to even it out. But that's not a given, and it doesn't help at all if you're not trading anything.
They're also willing to negotiate on finance terms, but their offer is usually not going to be as good as what you can get on your own from a credit union. And it doesn't help you if you're paying cash.
Of course the Subaru dealers can also negotiate on trade-in and financing, so the Scion dealers are still at a disadvantage. Generally speaking, you're more likely to get a better deal at the Subaru dealer.
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Originally Posted by abraxis
Do not like the BRZ vents either which have even more fake mesh and sometimes a big fat chrome strip which seems a bit gaudy for the car I think. It's just over the top for me.
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I actually ordered mine with the chrome accent. Whether it looks right depends on the color. On some of the darker colors it looks a little gaudy, but I think it works well with the red. The red is so flashy already that the little chrome accent blends in nicely.
I'm not a huge fan of the BRZ vents, but I think they actually look better than the FR-S covers. The FR-S vent covers just look unfinished to me, like the vents were an option that was supposed to be there but were blocked off because it was a cheaper model. Of course that's not really the case, but it looks like it. I may end up modding mine with wire mesh to get rid of the fake mesh in the insert.
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Originally Posted by abraxis
TI thought I read from a BRZ owner that Subaru didn't include scheduled maintenance.
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You thought wrong. Subaru does include it, and it's nationwide. I actually got my first "free" oil change 300 miles away from my regular dealer while on a trip.
As for the quality of the dealerships, I don't think you can make any generalizations about whether Subaru or Scion dealers better. As I said above, at the time I bought mine, the Subaru dealers in my area were willing to deal, where the Scion dealers could not because they were hamstrung by Pure Price. My dealer's service department has been hit and miss, but I can't complain about the purchase process. There have been some pretty scary stories posted here about both brands. OP will need to do his homework and shop around.
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Originally Posted by Norton 850
The suspension spring rates are different.
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It might be helpful to explain what that means. The Scion is set up with a slightly stiffer suspension. At first that might sound better, but it depends on what kind of driving experience you want. The Subaru's slightly softer suspension means that it wants to hug the curves a little better. The Scion's stiffer springs makes it want to cut the back end loose a little quicker and slide a little easier.
I personally prefer the Subaru (which is one of the big reasons I bought it) because I'm accustomed to sports cars that hug the curves and do not want to slide. When it does cut loose, it's very predictable and manageable. But I rarely let the tail kick out because when I was brought up, sliding a car around a curve on pavement was considered "doing it wrong." If you wanted to drive like that, you took a dune buggy out on the dirt.
But I can see the appeal of drifting. If you want a tail-happy car that is easier to drift, you would want the Scion or would want to mod the suspension if you bought the Subaru. The cars are not drastically different. It's just a subtle change for the different target markets for Scion and Subaru.