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Originally Posted by Jegan_V
If you got the dual HVAC, that whole piece is a Denso unit which I don't ever recall seeing Denso components on my previous Impreza(this might've changed). The non dual HVAC knobs are found on cheap Toyotas rather than any Subarus so that also is almost certainly a Toyota supplied part. IIRC the airbags in these cars are also supplied by Toyota. Transmissions are also Toyota supplied as they're both Aisin units. These are the only other obvious ones I know of.
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The question was essentially: is the car more Toyota or Subaru?
Denso and Aisin are neither Toyota or Subaru as those parts can and are found in any make of vehicle. Using only Toy or Sub as the options, clearly one has significantly more content than the other, in this case it's Subaru with a huge huge huge majority of the parts. The entire engine minus those 2 pieces(and obviously the little electronic shit on the engine that numerous other companies mass produce for everyone).
The car is more Subaru than anything else and therefore I expect Subaru(NOT Toyota) reliability from it. The tranny will be as good as any identical Aisin regardless of make/model of vehicle.
If Toyota simply purchased the complete engine from Subaru and did everything else themselves, the car would not be identical to what we bought. Obviously it would be the same on the outside since Toyota did design it, but the engineering wouldn't be identical.
If Toyotas hand in the engineering phase were so great and influential, then there wouldn't have been a need for Subaru engineers, why double the paychecks? Subaru would still be the provider of the engine, suspension, etc., and the people who assembled everything in that scenario. Subaru was hired to engineer it so that Toyota didn't have to have a full team of engineer employed, or again, they'd have done everything themselves minus the assembly.
So as far as Toy vs Sub:
Toyota:
designed shape of car(awesome)
paid for project(thanks sugar pop)
provided handful important parts(HPFP, DI)
watched/advised during the engineering phase
Subaru:
performed the entire engineering phase(with handful of Toyota guys looking over shoulder)
performed the entire construction phase down to the last nut/bolt
designed and built the engine
the suspension
So who really did the meat of the work? All those Subaru folks or the guys from Toyota who TOLD Subara what to do and what Toy wanted, then watched/advised along the way? That's how I look at it. MacArthur gave orders and made the battle plan, but his army did the work.
Thank Toyota for the plan, thank Subaru for the end result.