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Originally Posted by KeepGuessing
Wasn't the entire purpose of Toyota's assistance to offset some of the GDI expenses? Especially considering the GDI is only implemented into the FA20, and not the rest of the engine lineup hitting the pavement in the next few years. I mean the D4S is a toyota proprietary product is it not? So i can't imagine that Subaru would be footing the bill for the overhead of implementing a Toyota product onto a car they designed to net Toyota more money.
Not just that, how much of the FA20 architecture is actually brand spanking new, I know the R&D testing and paper punching aspect of engine building is the majority of the coin spent, but i find it hard to believe this engine is getting the ground up treatment in those respects either.
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Even THOUGH the Civic being an absolute anomaly in the Honda world (it being a terrible terrible product, so bad Honda is replacing it in record time)
The Civic does produce more power in both categories with it's K24.
It produces 201HP to the FRS/BRZ's 198....and produces 170Ftlbs of torque to the FRS/BRZ's 150.
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If Toyota wasn't involved this project wouldn't exist, so it did help. The FA20 is similar to the FB20 but the amount of changes is quite significant including the addition of GDI. Plus there was chassis and suspension design to consider among other things. The output is perfectly inline with my expectations and it's competitive for a N/A.
The 2012 civic has a 2.4L too though, so even though it makes the same HP at the same peak RPM, it doesn't have GDI so the output per displacement is not the same. The older K20 made 200HP at closer to 8k RPM.