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Originally Posted by BC-Boy
because 12.5 is a stupid high CP , a s2000 was 11.1 and made more power, the high cp is why our engines are so finiky are sensitive to gas. try and find another NA engine that has this kinds of CP and mass produced . its not a good thing that were the only ones.. its all for emissions and fuel efficiency at all for performance. take stock brz dyno it with 91 in the tank and it is impossible it will make the same power as the recomended 93 or with good 94.
12.5 for anyone who has built engines without knock detection knows 12.5 is better run with a touch of race gas or a absolutly solid 94 , where one bad tank of gas costs you a motor. 11.5 would have been more than enough its not that hi CP that gives us the power thats mearly for fuel economy im sure of it. C.A.F.E
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F20C's are port injection only, direct injection TOTALLY changes the game. Mazda SkyActiv engines are as high as 13.5:1 and run on 87 octane. 12.5:1 with DI is nowhere near the ragged edge. Turbo cars used to be 9:1 or less, but now you can get factory turbo engines around 11:1.
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Originally Posted by BC-Boy
31+taxe for me. theres are, mustang v6, genesis coupe, civic si, focus st tramples it, list goes on. if you want to talk just performance prob 70% of cars in a strait line beat it. cars in the same price point
having owned multiple new cars and trucks i can say this car at 31000 is not a good value i would have seen it more in the 26500 27000. basicly the US price but for in canada. mine is a sport tech ... the gps is the cheapest ive had in any car, the interior is the cheapest ive ever had the doors are flimsy, and its the lowest performing car ive had in a long time, i sold my ecoboost fx4 to my buddy and he absolutly destroys me even tuned. as for on a track i dont have acess to a track and secondly why would you buy a brand new car for beating on a tracK?? when there are tons of s2ks and 370s flating around ??
i do like the car, but everytime i jump in te s2000 i realize how cheap the brz feels, and how smooth the s2000 is. yes it was a 54,000 dollar new not at all in the same ball park, but used 22-25000 for ap2  if it would have been better priced i would shut my mouth but 31,000 + taxe starts to tickel the nut sack of some pretty nice cars. |
There is WAY more to performance than just a straight line pull. If you want a budget straight line car, buy a V6 mustang. $23k brand new and it'll run 13's. There is simply nothing even close to the price point that is as complete of a performance package. If you want a nice interior, decent power and decent handling, buy a GTI. They're not even comparable as a drivers car though.
I've lapped with AP2 S2K's, and they're not really any faster up the straights (they are a TINY bit, but they're not running away from me), and comparable under braking and in corners. Despite being down 40hp, it really comes down to the driver between these cars and an S2K.
You're also comparing much more expensive cars that are now a few years old to a brand new car. While we're at it, why not compare a used Cayman S or Boxster S? They're $70k+ new, but a used one can be found for about the price of a new FRS. Total cost of ownership will be way higher if you buy a used Porsche than a brand new Toyota/Subaru.