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Originally Posted by Dimman
Ahem... my Mk3 weighs less than the LFA. It's also a 1JZGTE which means 500cc smaller than 7M or 2JZ, oversquare bore, short stroke = not great torque but revs awesome.
The SLS weighs only 113 lbs more than the LFA yet has 125 lb-ft more torque 2050 rpm sooner.
The rear-weight bias is 1% more than the LFA. This means contrary to what a lot of people probably think, the SLS is not some nose-heavy boat.
It pulls only .05g less laterally than the LFA. It doesn't need a glass-smooth track to do it.
The retarded sequential is there because it is Formula One-y. Twin clutch 'boxes have proven that they are levels of magnitude superior to single clutch auto-manuals. And it's not even great by single-clutch standards.
The LFA car was built to lap the 'Ring because that is the new '200mph club'. To be a modern supercar you need a sub-8 minute 'Ring time. But the LFA is too specialized. It doesn't handle real roads well. And we still don't have an official third party time from an LFA at the 'Ring.
In the SLS vid that Ichi posted AMG refers to the 7:40 of the SLS as an 'attainable' time. Meaning not some 'Ring expert pro-only one shot time on slicks or shaved R compound 'street' tires.
At 10/10ths the LFA will moderately outperform the SLS in my opinion. At 1 to 9/10ths on anything other than perfect track tarmac (where these cars will be driven by all but true pros) the SLS will be significantly faster. Power under the curve is your friend.
The 'Soul' bullshit was tossed around a lot during the LFA's release.
Ichi: Tsukuba would be an excellent test venue. Very good combination of tight turns, straights, transitions, heavy braking and fast sweepers. Besides if the 'Ring isn't the LFA's 'home' track then surely it's the Toyota-owned Fuji Speedway. (Fuji's the track in the vid I posted ^) But I think even Fuji would take some of the driver's memory out of the equation and you would see the LFA's alleged 'Ring superiority be significantly eroded.
PS: Arguing with me is useful to kill time waiting for the next ridiculously obscure F/T/R-86/S info tid-bit to emerge... (that was the point of this round two)
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After how much you have gutted out of it? And I'm quite familiar with the 1JZ. Flirted with buying a JZA70 once upon a time, but decided if I ever buy a supra, it's going to be a MkIV.
You keep harping about torque. You seem to know a little about cars. You should know that torque is useless without proper gear ratios to put it to the ground. Do I have to explain to you why an engine that revs to 9000 rpm with a flat torque curve is a better performance choice than one with more torque but can only rev to 7000rpm? The LFA in it's lightest configuration is also about 300lbs lighter than the SLS that they tested. Willing to be that you couldn't find an SLS lighter than that unless someone stole the seats out of it.
I never accused the SLS of being a nose heavy boat. It's a bruiser, like most... no all Mercedes performance cars are. More of the same.
The LFA can pull 1.4 lateral Gs. That is .35 more Gs and I think you'd find that's quite a bit. It also goes through the slalom 5mph faster than an SLS, incidentally, faster than an Enzo as well. The only other cars that will match or better it, are the Mosler M900 and the ZR1.
All of which while it has it's merit, is slightly irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. The LFA is as much about the way it goes about doing what it does as to just simply doing what it does. Full sensory overload. The driver's experience. The Sequential box is there because it is lighter than a dual clutch, because it gives more tactile feedback. Nothing to do with Formula One. The F1 guys would use a CVT is they could get away with it.
I think you might be confusing the GT-R with the LFA. The LFA was developed on race tracks and roads all over the world. Paul Ricard, the Nardo ring, Fuji raceway and yes the Nurburgring. It was developed to go fast around any track, not to be a nurburgring specialist. Most reviewers who have driven it on the road says it's just fine there. If you are implying that the LFA can't do better than 7.40 under anything but specialized conditions or at least better than the SLS, then I'd have to begin thinking that you are arguing just for arguing's sake. You are also being quite redundant, because the Nurburgring is anything BUT glass smooth. At 10/10ths, 9/10ths, 8/10ths, I'm pretty sure the LFA would rape the SLS around any circuit, and happily drive home after. Hope the SLS driver ticked the box for the OPTIONAL composite brakes.
As for the "Soul" argument:
Car CANNOT have souls. I'd be the last person you would hear use that bullshit argument. Cars can have character and the ability to evoke emotions, but that's about it. Both are important elements in what makes the difference between a really good car and a great car and the LFA has them both in spades. Soul, it comes up short on, because CARS CAN'T HAVE SOULS.
