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Originally Posted by jonnyozero3

Look guys (and gals),

Most of the folks here love the chassis, love the car. Some folks like it just how it is and what it represents for performance per dollar, and for sheer (expected) fun factor on twisty roads.

What I don't get is why most seem to assume that if a forum member wants more power, that makes them a street racing douchetard in the eyes of 90% this forum.

So, to blatantly generalize and summarize:

1) The car is by all reports amazing in the handling department on moderate-grip tires.
2) The car is only "moderately" quick in a straight line.
3) Anyone highlighting this and asking for better is burnt at the stake.

For all those claiming to not care about bench-racing, schoolteacher racing, etc, how much time have you spent on a track? Have you ever exceeded the capabilities of a vehicle?

Some people have.

Some people can carve corners like nobody's business, hit the apex and hamer out of a turn smoother than your little sister's ass.

Yet, if their car doesn't have the balls, they are never going to reel in that 370Z, M3, or Boxster ahead of them. But they want to.

Is that wrong? I would argue no. It's not a knock on the AS1, it's actually a rousing endorsement that persons who desire (and will pay) for extra power-to-weight ratio and grip want it in this chassis. The car looks great, it handles great. Subaru and Toyota just need to engineer in enough "oomph" to put the heat on some of the bigger players one or two segments above the current model.

So what? I'm just saying, stop all the immature hating. The chassis is by all reports amazing. If I will plop down $33k for this chassis with 0-60 in 4.5 seconds so I can tear some rich pricks up on the track, why not encourage it? A halo/hi-po model of the AS1 can be nothing but a good thing.

This is a case where we can have our cake and eat it too. Or whatever stupid damn metaphor you want. Bottom line: no reason we all can't be happy with $26k 200hp BRZs *and* $33k 280hp BRZs.

//rant

the problem is that the car was designed FROM THE BEGINNING to be RWD, light, and CHEAP (relatively). having said that, people who say the car "needs" more power just dont get it. the faster you make it, the heavier it gets, and the more expensive. you can't have your cake and eat it too.