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Originally Posted by Kostamojen
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That is beyond harcore, you have to have a serious boner for junk cars and Subaru to go through all of that. But hey thats passion.
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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath
Exactly, and that's why OP feels they designed it to a pricepoint and stopped. They did. Look at Porsche, they have a car for any amount of $ you want to spend. Spend more $ get a little more HP a little more performance.
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Thats dead on. And why I started the project. I think Toyota was out of the game much like how Honda is now. Someone high up got sick of hearing and seeing the brand turning into a massive snooze fest and green lighted some fun projects to maybe re-vitalize the brand etc.
Only I don't really feel they let their designers and engineers off the leash. There are so many compromises here, it's hard to take the platform all that seriously. Mazda takes the MX5 seriously as a sports car. (Support, Racing, Parts supply) Toyota just uses the car for marketing stunts mostly and the fact its mostly controlled by Subaru which had almost zero interest in RWD makes it worse. For Subaru it accounts for less that 1% of their sales, just more damning for those hoping for more models.
This generation 86 is purely for aftermarket as it stands.
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Originally Posted by Quentin
I think that this thread highlights that there is no such thing as "no compromise". Each and every decision comes along with a compromise of some type. Cost, reliability, drivability, maintenance, etc. I don't like the looks of the stock FR-S wheels, but it is tough to find a wheel and tire combo that will retain the super enjoyable stock drive. Too wide of a tire w/ a stickier compound? Some of that toss ability goes out the window. Bigger, prettier 18" wheels? Unless you spend a pretty penny, you're likely increasing rotational inertia. Even then, most tires out there seem to weigh a good bit more than the stockers even if you do keep the same width and rolling diameter. Swaybars might make it corner flatter, but depending what rubber you have and the road conditions, it might be more likely to step out without much warning (I learned this lesson the hard way in my 2.5RS... put a bigger RSB on it and found myself facing the same direction I'd come from on a tight, gravel covered, downhill hairpin). I changed the tires on my 4Runner and absolutely hated how the truck drove afterward... even though they were the same size and highly rated on Tirerack. To me, the biggest decision is finding a car that is designed to do what you want out of a car with the force of the OEM's engineering team behind it. Picking the right car in the first place is 90% of the battle. From then on, one must choose carefully and remember that every decision is a compromise in some way or another. You just have to understand what that compromise is and if that compromise is something you are willing to live with.
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Adjusting your expectations is half of the issue in what you stated, but I agree for the most part anything you touch mechanically usually has some compromise.
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Originally Posted by Tromatic
I understand what you meant, but a whole lot of people seem to misunderstand what Mr. Tada meant. I really do think the FR-S/BRZ won't last one generation before they fuck it up because that's what people want them to do so it's "better".
The "lol" makes me think your are serious. Since I do think the FR-S/BRZ will indeed be a classic some day, which one do you think will be more valuable years from now? The rusting, mismatched body panel leaky fartcan riced-out abused POS or the well-cared for stock example?
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I dont see this car being anything more than what we saw from the FWD era of Civic Sis and Integra GSRs, RSX etc. Pushing it would be to compare it to an RX8, but the demand is not all that high there either.
It's not low volume enough to put it into some rare catagory. The only thing unique about it is the chassis. But in terms of build quality and components used here it compares more to the Imprezza and Corolla if anything.
Used market is flooded right now, and prices are low. Maybe in 10 years there will be demand for old analog"ish" cars but who knows.