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Old 03-26-2012, 05:12 AM   #320
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Very happy the motor is NA...I like higher revving, smaller displacement NA motors.

I've had both a '90 Integra RS and 98' Camaro V6 as 'track' cars (gutted but with untouched stock motors - other than custom intake and exhausts) and definitely loved driving Integra way more even though it was just as fast as the Camaro and not to mention cheaper on consumables (tires and brake pads). The Camaro was very insane in the braking department though; awesome brakes with Hawk HP+ pads and Brembo blanks riding on Nitto NT-555 RII that would just throw you forward and loose speed so fast it was nearly mind boggling.

That's the one thing the Camaro could do better than the Integra...brake! But overall the ~2340lb with full tank, 130hp/121 lbft, 1/4 mile in 15.798sec @ 86.82mph Integra RS just felt way more alive and fun than the ~3200lb, 200hp/225lbft, 1/4 mile in 15.767sec @ 87.27mph Camaro. It also probably has something to do with the ~8lb flywheel in the integra that made it so much fun as well...that was probably the best thing done to it - increasing it's acceleration performance, throttle response, and shifting at the same time.

Weight is the big killer for the Camaro - it just can't change direction quick enough even when loosing a couple hundred pounds over stock and riding on Koni adjustable shocks with massive F/R Hotchkis hollow anti-roll bars and having the rear suspension located with spherical ball end race arms and panhard bar. The car was neutral and pointed in well...it just was so slow at doing so compared to the Integra. The Integra just felt like it could run circles around the Camaro in the handling department, both at Autocross Evolution school/local evolution like practice event and on track even though both could equally steady state corner and pull G's as well as the Corvette Z06s and Elises (though could in no way keep up on track due to stock motor power).

My co-worker let me be the first to drive his turbo'd civic since I gave him an oil-cooler kit I originally purchased for my Tacoma when I had bought a supercharger kit for it. It was fun and really put a smile on my face (the push into the seat from acceleration and the BOV sound never get old either!) but I just don't like the maintenance/reliability aspect of a turbo compared to N/A for track use with a DD based car. I also like the screaming motor and instantaneous throttle/directional response from the slightest pressure change of the right foot that a nicely setup high revving NA motor car gives.

Hopefully the FR-S comes close to what I felt with my Integra: the FR-S will rev higher and have noticeably more power, but it also is over 400lbs heavier, and weight is ALWAYS an enemy I'm looking to defeat...

Speaking of high output motors, how does a normally aspirated 3.0 Liter V8 that revs to 10,500 rpms and makes ~470hp/~295lbft grab ya? It's the Hartley H1V8 motor used in the Ariel Atom 500...



Too bad that just the motor costs more than the most expensive BRZ model and it is not really designed for longevity in a DD production car... still a sweet motor (but not 1.5L BRM V16 sweet that makes any V8 cower in fear by it's growl while simultaneously wailing like the F1 motor it is past 12000 rpm!)
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