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Originally Posted by CyberFormula
2+2 in this car is not practical...... For paying 25k for frs in the USA and much more money else where. I can go for an fd2 type r for that kind of money and it is a 5 seater with 4 doors.
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It's all relative. Compared to my old Miata, this car is very practical.
If you want a new, lightweight, RWD, reasonably priced, and somewhat efficient fun daily driver, the FT86 is the only game in town (if you can get by with a tiny trunk and never need more than two seats, then there's the Miata).
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Originally Posted by CyberFormula
In summary, as I've said, the frs is a car that is for people that want it. It is not good value for what it is.
You want fast and practical there are better value choices.
You want fast there are better choices.
Frs is a car for those that want it which I can say is sort of in the category of lotus/miata. Those who don't look for speed or practicality as a priority but willing to spend extra money on the driving experience on light weight chassis.
Which brings us back to what this thread is about, why the article may of stated that the car isn't making expectations in sales.
People that shop for performance cars have a lot of choices. With club racers, best bang for the buck for running cost, performance, and cost of the car itself is the priority.
For average individuals who like sport cars they would buy something that looks sporty and has power and it would be enough.
Frs is slightly above the price point currently, even used ones, to be considered good value for a club racer.
For the average individual, they might buy it for many reasons. But if they think this car is good value, this must be like their first performance car they ever bought.
Good value for the given category
All rounder- gti, wrx
Club racer- old civic, miata, s2000, integra type r, used lotus
Muscle- mustang
This is only for USA.
So it comes to the topic of compromise. Some say you can't get what you get from an frs with any other car. But my point is that the frs isn't bad, it just at a price point that doesn't make it a good value in the rest of the world market.
Talking about price,
I bought dc2 type r 22,000 (new)
Gti 23,000 (new)
Nsx 33,000 (20k miles)
Porsche 911 17,000 (1974)
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Some of the new cars (with various trim levels) frequently discussed on this forum:
2014 $22,095 Abarth
2014 $22,300 Veloster Turbo
2014 $22,510 Mustang V6
2013 $22,515 Si
2014 $23,150 GC V6 GT
2014 $23,600 MCS
2014 $23,720 Miata Sport
2013 $24,200 MS3
2014 $24,600 FRS
2014 $25,095 GTI
2014 $25,595 BRZ Premium
2014 $25,995 WRX
2014 $26,350 GC 2T
2014 $26,610 Mustang V6 Premium
2014 $26,905 Miata Club
2014 $27,550 Miata GT
2014 $27,595 BRZ Limited
2014 $28,495 WRX Premium
2014 $29,300 GC 2T Premium
2014 $29,350 GC V6
2014 $29,495 WRX Limited
2014 $29,695 GTI Drivers Edition
2014 $30,100 MCS JCW
2014 $31,210 Mustang GT
2014 $34,495 STI
2014 $35,310 Mustang GT Premium
2014 $37,845 STI Limited
They all have pros and cons. The FT86 pricing seems OK to me, keeping in mind that most of the others are sporty variants of high volume mainstream cars (reduces costs).
So if you don't mind understeer, there are FWD cars that'll give you more bang for your buck. If you don't mind portly dynamics, there are other RWD cars that'll that give you more bang for your buck. I wrote before:
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Originally Posted by Deslock
There's not a lot of profit in a relatively low volume vehicles at this price-point, and small RWD coupes are halo cars (lots of mainstream appeal, but few mainstream buyers).
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