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Old 02-18-2014, 03:00 PM   #124
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Exactly! so the relative difference is likely similar. This car would have seen about the same improvement with the sways and no springs/damper vs springs damper with no sways. Making them relatively equal in terms of performance increase. Any mac strut suspension will benefit from increased roll stiffness. It is inherent in the design (lack of camber gain in roll).
I'm not going into the details, my only gripe with the Grassroots Motorsports article you linked is that the spring is not tested independently, by itself, versus a sway bar.

That's what I am interested in seeing... and it's not for my sake. It's for everyone else who will be impacted by rule changes, because it WILL make cars be reclassed.

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Not everyone is a big baller like yourself. Budget is limited.
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LMAO! You are simply awesome, Ted. Emphasis 'simply'. Maybe because it may prove to be as much value as lowering springs. And if you guys decide to change the ruling on sways, where would that leave me then? More parts I cannot use.

I'm sure you know exactly why you are in the "big baller" category around here. Nice car, BTW.
Well... I see it more like, Ted has his priorities in life, if he can work at a company for more than 10 years AND support his hobbies AND not have to compromise anything, he's doing something right.

I don't want to preach but when it comes to track events and modifying the car, most people don't know what it truly means to run a track event. If you want to run a track event, you have to live with the very real possibility of writing off the entire cost of the car. If you can't do that (or can't afford to do that), then something else is amiss.

I got a lot of parts for my car last year, thinking I was just going to go to the track occasionally. Turns out, if I had waited another 3 months I would have 1) found out that Ohlins would bump me up to Street Class, and 2) I would've saved $700 on my Ohlins due to a market adjustment in their pricing.

Am I sad I lost out on $700? Yes. Will I move on from this knowing things change? Yes.

I really suggest you do the same. Not discounting your "lost money" on parts, but that is the reality of modifications and rules for any type of competition, professional or amateur.

But your posts have brought up something we should look at adding: some type of "form" or mechanism to request a rules change. Something simple like:

Part:
Proposed point change/exclusion (50 words or less):
Supporting evidence:
Documents/links:

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Also @CSG Mike and @mav1178 we may need to clarify the ruling on magical parts.
Things to clarify:
- sway bar point change (if any)
- re-balance of spring/shock mods
- procedure/requirements for rule changes to be considered (see above)

-alex
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