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Originally Posted by cyde01
yeah but practically all the sports cars built today are about power. the miata and now the frs are the ONLY sports cars not about power. they were designed to be different from the start, to buck the trend, they were advertised as such, targeted towards people that want to buck the trend.
if you are into torque, plain and simple: more cylinders than 4 is ideal for you. 4 cylinder engines are just not built for low or midrange, if you build a 4 cylinder for torque you sacrifice top end horsepower like in the ka24. so what you want is something with more cylinders, but you can't stick an engine with more cylinders in a lightweight compact car like the miata or the frs without using expensive materials like the 6 cylinder exige or evora.
if this car was built for torque and horsepower, it would be just like all the other sports cars on the market today. if horsepower is what you want, why not just buy what's already on sale now? the new z's lighter and more compact than the old one. the domestic pony cars are heavy but a good value as far as horsepower per dollar.
this car was built for balance, something that a select few find even more important than power to weight. and it was built for that small minority of people who "get it." the reason why it wasn't built for people who prioritize torque, power to weight, and power to dollar is because there are plenty of options on the market for people like that already!
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with the exception of the camaro and mustang gt I would say your statement is inaccurate. Almost all of the other sports cars are about handling
& power. We have yet to see a comparison of this car with anything else so while we know it is going to handle well no-one has said it will handle better than a 370z or even a boss mustang for that matter. Edit: within 5k of this price range.
as to the second item, the only other non muscle car available with 2 doors, rwd, and 4 seats is a genesis coupe so there aren't a lot of other choices.
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Originally Posted by MrBonus
50 pounds if it's done by a private shop that doesn't design and test it to meet all worldwide emissions standards and to last 100,000+ miles of driving in numerous weather, conditions, and environments.
In reality, a turbocharger means more cooling (larger radiator, piping, oil cooler(s)), larger wheels and tires, transmission upgrades (synchros, input/output shafts, driveshaft), various suspension upgrades, many of which involve greater weight like half-shafts, calipers, rotors, larger master cylinder.
Then you have to meet low-speed impact requirements which may require additional reinforcement in the front to protect the additional hardware.
So now you have a 3200 pound car with 280 horsepower that is essentially another direct competitor to the 370Z in both price and size.
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50 pounds is about right. All of those items that need upgrading are all incremental weight increases. You don't need 2 of everything so the weight gain is minimal.
all of the extra weight you see on turbo models is usually due to them being better equipped models. A non-turbo similarly optioned would come in close to the same.