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Old 01-12-2014, 05:05 PM   #860
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Ha, did not realize I would elicit such a response, I like the passion though! I definitely understand your not wanting to encourage bad driving habits.
On the programming side of things, I also find auto blip to be a waste of technology


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I currently find it a little hard to rev match on the down-shifts, but that should get a little easier with the tune (better throttle response) and lightweight pulleys. The reach for my heel is a little far as well, haven't really seen any pedals yet that I like enough to buy though. Anyone have any aftermarket pedals they really like?
Heel-toe braking isn't intuitive and it will never come naturally. It will feel awkward in any car, with any set of pedals. But with practice, practice and more practice, your foot will develop the flexibility and coordination to do it. And when you can do it effortlessly in one car, you will find that it won't take more more than a few tries to do it nicely in other cars. My suggestion is not fall into the trap of trying to modify pedals or using unorthodox foot positions. Always give priority to the braking by using the ball of your foot (just under the toes) since braking requires fine adjustments and control. The heel (or more likely, the right edge of your foot) will do the blipping which is much simpler once you get the motion correct. Once this becomes second nature, you will be able to heel-toe in any car with any kind of footwear. The nice thing about heel-toe is that you can practice it every time you brake on the street. You don't need a track and you don't need any special equipment. So after a few weeks of practicing this every day, it will become natural and effortless. Heel-toe is really a prerequisite to any kind of performance driving. So learn it before you go to your next track day

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Not to try and refute you or start a debate or anything, but wasn't it initially developed by Formual 1? A computer can rev match much faster and easier than a human and enable much quicker shifts (not that my FRF-S is an F1 car or that I need to shift in 5 ms, and I don't even know how fast the ECU in this production car could rev-match, maybe a human is faster). I know I'm not an F1 racer, and the feature definitely lends itself to helping idiots drive a manual, I just can't help loving some of the really cool technology that gets developed and wish my car had more.
Technology should never be a substitute for technique. F1 transmissions are designed for performance, not for testing the shifting abilities of drivers. F1 cars are on an other level compared to anything we will ever drive in our lives. The thought of adding a 3rd pedal and a fully manual transmission to something that corners at a few Gs and requires two hands to steer is terrifying

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To be honest, the only thing I've ever disliked about my car is the 'Fly by Wire' electronic throttle. It just felt like a video game when I first got it, and I kind of figure if I'm going to compromise give up the mechanical feeling of older cars, I might as well get all the bells and whistles that come with driving computer.
Part of driving is learning how to adapt to different steering response, different brake bias, different pedal positions, throttle response, etc,. I often see people make excuses by citing characteristics of a car. When in fact all cars have different characteristics. It's just the way it is.

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However I am in no way trying to complain about your product. I am still blown away by all the things it will allow me to do, and the extremely reasonable price it is being offered for. If the anticipation doesn't kill me by tomorrow, I'm sure the excitement after receiving it will cause an aneurism...
Haha no worries. I hope you enjoy it. But when it comes to driving technique and misplaced technologies, I tend to go on tirades. Usually it's best to ignore me

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Shiv
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