[Matador]

Originally Posted by bigbcraig

Back on topic, lol...

Ya'll need to stop comparing base EJ25s to Si's and S2000s. Subaru doesn't seem to have great N/A stats, because they dont make a N/A performance enigne! They turbo all performance engines.

To get a fair comparison, you have to compare regular Civic models to regular Imprezas.
Looking at UK models (There are more similarly sized engines),...

A base Civic with the 1.4L engine gets 100hp at 6000RPM, 127 NM at 4800 RPM
A base Impreza with 1.5L is 2000 pounds cheaper and gets 107hp at 6000, 142NM at a much more useable 3200RPM

A base Civic with the 1.8L engine gets 140hp at 6300RPM, 174 NM tq at 4300RPM
A base Impreza with 2.0L is cheaper and gets 150hp at 6400RPM, 196 NM at a more useable 3200RPM.

If you want to talk about something like the Type-R, you must look at not just engine aspiration and displacementbut model purpose and price:

Civic Type-R. 201hp at 7800, 193NM at 5600.
Impreza WRX-S, about 500 pounds more expensive, 255hp at 5600, 390NM at 3000. About twice the torque at a much lower RPM. Yes, it's turboed, but that is Subaru's performance offering. And it really it is barely more expensive, even though it's not NA.

How is that apples to apples again? you cannot compare NA hp to turbo hp and even less so, to torque.