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Originally Posted by SpeedyJay
I came from the Evo X community and the Cobb AP in looked down upon by many. When tuning the X you can get a much better tune going opensource then Cobb. Cobb is still behind the curve with the X cause developers keep bringing up new maps and options with opensource. (ie RAX patch and Tephra Mod if anyone if familiar with the X)
Also recent Cobb maps for the X have had to much timing in the top end and have shown considerable knock (10-13 counts)
Personally I recommend Cobb to the people who want 'User friendly' and Opensource to the more savvy who want the best possible tune.
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I can't talk about the Evo X tunes because we don't really tune those, but the Cobb software is ideal for the Subaru and GTR crowd.
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Originally Posted by SirBrass
EcuTek would charge another $500 on top of the $800 they already charge for the handheld unit.
EcuTek was one of the hold-backs that kept me from going to the BRZ earlier than I did. Locked tunes, horror stories, insanely overpriced license, etc. Bad bad bad bad bad. Cobb's support on the other hand: well known, trusted, been supporting Subaru for a LONG time and still doing so, etc.
The OFT stuff may have been in use with BMWs for years, but that's the point: in use by BMWs, not Subarus. Cobb knows Subies. OFT is still learning in comparison.
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Since EcuTek doesn't have a handheld tuner we have no idea what the charge would be, but the tuner would in theory take place of the cable.
The software however, is incredible as a tuning tool. Nothing can touch it on this platform. It's a bit more expensive, but, you get what you pay for kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Tristan,
Just curious, what exactly do u think the OFT is lacking at this time? Besides the ability to allow tuners to lock their map from the user, how is the hypothetical Cobb AP "a better product" in your opinion? We are always looking for ways to improve our product so such feedback would be very welcome.
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-Real data-logging (it still boggles my mind that people are running tunes, and have been, without being able to datalog to confirm the cars running condition if a problem arises)
-The ability to properly tune a turbocharged car
-True Flex-Fuel
-The OFT business model is not setup at all for other tuners. I understand why, and I see the advantages for some people (ie. the DIY tuners), it's just not ideal for any other Pro-tuner to throw their tune in the hat and "give it away". Which is why there has been little, if any, support from the other "Pro tuners" in this community. I don't see it happening either, but things may change, who knows.
-Also, There is just no way right now that we would feel comfortable giving someone a tune, whether it's e-tuning or in person, without full datalogging capability. You can't extract all of the power out of a car without knowing where the limits are. Which is why the OTF maps are "watered-down" I'm sure.
The OFT just feels like a BETA product overall. It still has a long way to go.
These are my opinions, in response to Shivs question. I am not telling people NOT to buy it, or support it, nor am I saying it's a crap product. The Opensource tuning community is definitely alive and well, and this is a product that caters directly to them and some of those DIY'ers who want to tinker themselves. For them, this thing is a real nice concept.
If you're thinking of buying a tune, tuning software, hardware etc. Just make sure you know what you're buying, do research, ask questions, consider your future needs. There are multiple options and more will be coming to this market I'm sure. We will always be on the lookout to offer the best tuning solutions for our customers, we are defintiely not married to one platform.
-Tristan