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Originally Posted by BRZ-OwnzJo0
Not sure what you people are talking about with the VSC? I always drive with everything on and I can't imagine ever crashing on accident with this shit turned on. I think it does a great job. Yea, when you compare anything in a 30k car to anything in a 60k+ car, it's probably not going to compare. Maybe it's because I don't use the shitty stock tires but I've never had an issue with my back end sliding out unless I wanted it to and even then it's nearly impossible to do with my wide, sticky tires and VSC on. :shrug:
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It's not that I've had problems with the car sliding around, but I have triggered VSC/trac before (through false wheel-hop alarms on bumpy / uphill corners) and when that's happened the computer intervention hasn't felt very smooth (it feels like the car just dumps throttle entirely until it's satisfied that your wheel is no longer spinning). I've spent a decent amount of time on a skid pad and feel reasonably confident about catching a slide in these cars (these cars drive pretty easily even on the shitty stock tyres). Basically I'm more afraid of what the computer might do (since I'll have no idea what to expect) than I am about catching a slide (which I've done plenty of times before and have an OK feel for). I do a lot of my for-fun driving in cars that don't have stability / traction control, so I'm pretty used to doing things unassisted, and I tend to drive somewhat conservatively on the street (I'll do little powerslides in slow corners and sort of squirm the tail around a little on faster ones, but that's about it, and even that I only do in places where I know there aren't other people to hit... if you can't see through a corner it's a bad place to be having too much fun).
I don't know why 86 crash stats would be very different from RWD sportscar crash stats in general. The 86 isn't that unprecedented: the Z cars were RWD (and more powerful) without being prohibitively expensive, and people who liked driving could always get various used RWD sportscars on the cheap, so it's not like the 86 brought RWD to a bunch of people who would never have had a chance to experience it before. My guess is that 86 crash rates aren't significantly higher than those of other similar cars.
The only time I've surprised myself in this car was during one of my first wet-road outings: I took the car out in my neighborhood to see how it drove when pushed hard in the wet and tossed it into an empty corner with the intention of sliding it around. I proceeded to get a way bigger slide than anticipated (I expected maybe ten or fifteen degrees and got more like 25 or 30 as the rear end felt like it had had a rug pulled out from under it-- not a progressive slide at all). I'd noticed that the car felt pretty loose before when driving on cool / foggy mornings and I'm glad I decided to see what it would do on wet road, because Primacy HPs and cool water do not mix well. I've spent the last few years driving on Dunlop Star Specs and Super Sports which are hardly fazed by rain at all, so it was weird seeing a tyre change so drastically with just a few drops of water on the road.