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Originally Posted by strat61caster
I don't think you read the thread, the vast majority of the people who posted so far have said they don't give a fuck and Consumer Reports is irrelevant when you're buying a sports car.
I also think you've got a case of the chicken little sky is falling internet forum syndrome, most 86's don't experience the problems you describe (aside from chirping, which is debatable as to whether or not it's a problem) and most are happy with their car. You make it sound like if you buy one of these you won't be able to drive it because it'll be in for service 75% of the time.
There are definitely issues and I don't doubt CR's rating based on what they survey but the burning question in my mind is why haven't you got rid of yours?
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I've experienced every single issue in my above post except for the DI / CEL and the windows scratching themselves. I still own it because it's a fun car to drive and I like it. (and it's somewhat issue free after collectively having spent two weeks in service)
Regardless of my personal opinion of the car, CR's opinion on their reliability is absolutely warranted. You guys seem to think that if an issue doesn't directly affect the drivetrain then it doesn't count against a car for reliability, but the fact of the matter is that every time you have to unnecessarily spend a couple of hours taking your car to the dealership to keep your car in the same condition you assumed it'd be in when you spent ~$30K on it, it counts against the cars reliability -- particularly in the criteria that CR has always judged products on.
Yes, it's the first model year. Yes, they skimped on certain things to make the car more lightweight and affordable. That doesn't mean that CR should be making allowances based on that. If they gave car X a 10/10 on reliability, and they gave the twins a 10/10 also, any reader would make the reasonable assumption that both cars are going to need to be taken in for service equally as much. This isn't rocket science. Go poke around in the Issues / Warranty forum and you'll see that the Twins have a LOT of common issues that require warranty work, and it's not like you're just rolling the dice on what you're going to get either. A lot of the issues pop up extremely reliably.
By the way, quit acting like this is a Bad Thing. If Subaru and Toyota start taking more heat for this stuff, maybe they'll start being more prompt about fixing things and supporting their paying customers.