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Originally Posted by hmong337
I think we should hold out longer on what the consensus is on the DI failures.
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"Holding out" is the opposite of "going to the track without a care in the world"...
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Everybody talks as if everybodys car is going to catastrophically fail tomorrow due to the DI system. I personally think it's just a small percentage of people that is being blown way out of proportion. If it's happening to the majority, then we'll go from there.
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It's not happening to the majority, it's happening to those who track them. It is specific to upshifting at high rpm, which is exactly what you do at the track. Normal track driving kills these engines.
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Well according to the land of Canadia... They were $40k cars new. Take a few grand off for you Americans I suppose.
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Can you get an FR-S for $25,000?
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Either way, it's certainly in that range.
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$40k isn't $35k. If you're calling the FR-S a $25k car, then the S2k was a $35k car.
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I expect my FA20 to last lots of racing too, stock. As should many other motors.
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Be aware that there are serious issues with tracking these engines!
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Don't know where your claims of brainwashing comes from.
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See earlier posts in the thread regarding $40k S2000 vs. $25k FR-S.
In the US, the S2000 was never $40k.
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I suppose you need to defend your purchase...?
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No, I bought my S2000 in 2007 for $15k. When the FR-S/BRZ are appealing enough to me (including proven track reliability) I'll probably buy one.
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Either way, the performance of the S2000 is better out of the box. I don't dispute that. Not sure why you're crying for
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Just tired of seeing the S2000 disparaged as being so expensive when in reality it stickered for only $5k more than the most comparable 86 (BRZ Limited in the U.S.) and gave reasonable value for $$$ for the extra dough.
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You'd be a fool to expect any stock motor to last rigorous racing at double the horsepower.
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Yeah, but you'd expect a stock 200hp engine to last under rigorous track usage. The FA20 is questionable even totally stock.
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The S2000 may have more strength stock, but I can't see any motor lasting at double the horsepower doing sessions after sessions for a considerable length of time. You're going to eventually break; which calls for your motor build at some point. The FA20 seems to call for one earlier in the modding game against the S2000.
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The F20C and F22C have proven to be very reliable over thousands of miles of hard track usage. The FA20 seems to be hung up on tuning issues leading to the DI injectors failing. Hopefully they retroactively fix them all soon!