[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Dephective

I'm purchasing a turbo kit here soon and I too want OFT to hurry up and offer FI support. I won't be doing much tuning on my own, so naturally I would want tuners to hop on board with this as well. I just hope that they offer the support by the time I get around to dropping on a kit, in which case I will make my purchase of ECUtek model and eventually switch when the support is satisfactory with OFT.

With the exception of 1 person localy (unfortunately not an ECUtek tuner), I wouldn't trust anyone absolutely with my $5k investment, especially when it can turn into a $10k headache. Anyone who says "trust me" makes me weary, regardless of reputation. While I can't do the majority of tuning on my own just yet, I am competent enough to catch something if it seems off to me, which is extremely beneficial for longevity and safety. Datalogging doesn't show you what the tables values are, only current running conditions. I want to see what my tuner did and, more importantly, WHY.

Another benefit is being able to adjust the stupid little things like fuel trims. With the changing of weather, these things can certainly make a big difference in how well and how safe your car runs. It's stupid to have to be limited on your tuner's time to adjust something so simple its infuriating. That's if you're lucky enough to get someone who offers free updates, which would more than likely make your wait times even greater.

So as a tuner, you're not willing to tune using a program that has less features but costs you nothing to use, especially when it's not reinventing the wheel, tuning principles apply regardless of the program you are using. You are about to have people throwing money at you and you're just going to say no? Guess the fewer that capitalize on this, will just profit all the more.

Not to mention, the ridiculous price variances you find on ECUtek cables and licenses through different vendors. Standardize your shit guys.

Originally Posted by mwjcyber

I see tuners on here that don't get it.

I want to tune my car now for NA, and for FI in a year.

Why would I spend $600 now for Ecutek cable & license, + cost of tune and dyno time; and then repeat that every time I add something to my car? Might be great for tuners, but no way in hell I'm paying additional $500 every time I want a tune (including local dyno for remote tune). Plus if I ever get tired of the car I could sell the OFT, not a option with Ecutek.

With OFT, I can load up a generic tune, and if I want it customized, I'll send a tuner my data logs. The ft86 community now has a viable affordable tuning platform, and if you want our business, you best get on board with OFT in the future.

As OP started, when I buy my turbo, OFT support will be a top requirement.
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The pricing here is way off for what most tuners would charge for those services secondary services....

I could go on and list differences and correct some things but it would just turn another thread into a Ecutek > Opensource debate...which I doubt people want to see.

If either of you wants to discuss tuning/prices/differences in software we'd be happy to, but probably best done via PM.