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Originally Posted by ZDan

If all you care about is numbers, sure, those oversized/overweight behemoths are fine.

BTW, I never intended to put the GC out there as awesomer than anything else, just pointing out that its power/weight are more consistent with pony cars of yore. I.e., smaller and lighter-weight than the muscle cars, not necessarily faster.

Because 3600lbs qualifies as a behemoth. Look at the safety standards that exist today. Producing anything with a reasonable amount of creature comforts that comfortably sits four people UNDER 3000lbs is impossible. You're lacking in brain cells if you think otherwise. That or you're stuck in the 90's.

FWIW, I could pay cash for a GT500/ZL1/SRT8, but I am genuinely not interested. I probably will get to drive them at the track at some point (track day driving instructor).

I think it's the numbers fanbois who give enthusiasts a bad name. The ones for whom a Miata is a "girl's car" and who will *never* appreciate what is *really* cool about genuine lightweight sports (or sporty) cars.

It's "fanbois" like yourself that give real enthusiasts that approach any vehicle without bias a "bad name".Throwing hate at a certain car because of it's weight / power / interior / exterior / rim size / how X matches up against Y is rediculous. I don't care what you can afford or when you'll get to drive it, the fact is that you HAVEN'T and you're speaking as though you've experienced all there is to experience from the cars and found that you dislike them. Maybe they're not your style, maybe you genuenly hate large vehicles but you use words like "I consider" and "in my subjective opinion" when you call them names like "behemoth" and "stupid". Learn to give credit where credit is due. Those PONY CARS deserve every ounce of credit thrown their way because they've come a long way from what they used to be. Not to mention they'll borderline sodomize the vast majority of vehicles in their price bracket regardless of weight or power.
P.S. Look at the car I drive. I could grab a 335i from my dealer lot tomorrow if I felt like it, but I'm waiting for either the GC 2.0T or the FRS cause they're more my style. Hell I happen to love smaller light weight cars which is why I'm part of this forum, but at the same time I don't go around tossing insults at larger cars because they're large. They've got SPACE and COMFORT that smaller cars can't offer and fanbois them ostracize for that. "The ones for whom a Mustang is a "behemoth of car" and who will *never* appreciate what is *really* cool about MIDWEIGHT Pony car."
See what I did there?

Of course numbers fanbois *greatly* outnumber true driving enthusiasts, so we get any number of ridiculous oversized/overweight beasts on the market and VERY few cool, minimalist, lightweight sports/sporty cars.

So according to you a true driving enthusiast needs to favor lightweight sports car. Everyone else is a fanboi. Yeah, you aren't a hypocrit or anything.

Well, power/weight is, anyway.

It's a large factor but it isn't and will never be the end all be all deciding factor for performance/enjoyment someone can recieve from a vehicle. Or have you not noticed by now being a "Track day driving instructor" that not everyones tastes are the same or even remotely similar.

The Veyron is an obscenity. Highly capable to be sure!
It's not a "hatas gon' hate" thing, I genuinely have a distaste for the big/heavy maximalist approach, although that approach certainly can be very effective in terms of outright performance numbers (though I'd put my money on a decades-old inferior power/weight McLaren F1 over the Veyron around most road courses).

And there you go again calling something an "obscenity" when to a lot of ENTHUSIASTS the Veyron is a work of art; whether they've driven one, own one, or simply know everything about the car and haven't had the opportunity to step foot in it. They appreciate the car and it might not even be their type of vehicle, hell not many people can consider a 4400lb 1183bhp hypercar their type of car.

But then I haven't been a numbers fanboi for a long time now...

You're right, you aren't. Now you're a power:weight fanboi, but a fanboi nontheless.

Most of today's sports car "enthusiasts" will never genuinely appreciate true minimalist lightweight sports cars. A shame, and too bad for the few of us who do (sniff). Our numbers are just too small for the automakers to pay much attention to.

That's why this car was made right? There have always been a number of small performance cars. You just don't consider them minimalist vehicles because they're FWD. A shame, too bad there aren't as many true enthusiasts that can approach a vehicle with a mind like a blank canvas and base their decisions on how they feel about it after they've seen all the facts or driven it. Too many of you, "it's too fat" "it's too ugly" "it's too expensive" "it's too cheap" "the interior is too plasticy" "it's not RWD/FWD/AWD" "It's a (insert franchise name here)" fanboi's.