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Originally Posted by SVTSHC
And yet both the mustang, the camaro and probably even the challenger would wreck a GC around any track or on any straight you put them on. Not even in the same league, can barely contend with the v6 variants. How's that for stupid.
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If all you care about is numbers, sure, those oversized/overweight behemoths are fine.
BTW, I never intended to put the GC out there as awesomer than anything else, just pointing out that its power/weight are more consistent with pony cars of yore. I.e., smaller and lighter-weight than the muscle cars, not necessarily faster.
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As a matter of fact, find me another car that's CAPABLE of going 200mph like the GT500 or contain as much performance technology/can put up evil nurburgring times like the ZL1 and still keep a facory warranty for 55k. You do that and I'll turn lead into gold for you. You give enthusiasts a bad name hating on cars you've never even come close to driving before.
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FWIW, I *could* afford a GT500/ZL1/SRT8 if I really wanted one, but I am genuinely not interested. I probably will get to drive them at the track at some point (track day driving instructor).
I think it's the numbers fanbois who give enthusiasts a bad name. The ones for whom a Miata is a "girl's car" and who will *never* appreciate what is *really* cool about genuine lightweight sports (or sporty) cars.
Of course numbers fanbois *greatly* outnumber true driving enthusiasts, so we get any number of ridiculous oversized/overweight beasts on the market and VERY few cool, minimalist, lightweight sports/sporty cars.
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Yeah, CLEARLY weight is EVERYTHING and the absolute end all be all for vehicle performance,
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Well, power/weight is, anyway.
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that's why the Veyron SS is 4400lbs right? Because, slow. Clearly. Whatever, haters gonna hate.
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The Veyron is an obscenity. Highly capable to be sure!
It's not a "hatas gon' hate" thing, I genuinely have a distaste for the big/heavy maximalist approach, although that approach certainly can be very effective in terms of outright performance numbers (though I'd put my money on a decades-old inferior power/weight McLaren F1 over the Veyron around most road courses).
But then I haven't been a numbers fanboi for a long time now...
Most of today's sports car "enthusiasts" will never genuinely appreciate true minimalist lightweight sports cars. A shame, and too bad for the few of us who do (sniff). Our numbers are just too small for the automakers to pay much attention to.