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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy
The numbers don't add up, but they never do with the 86 triplets. I keep reading the following BS:
Header = +10whp
header-back = +15whp
ECUTek Tune = +15whp
Intake = +10whp
But in reality all those mods typically equal +30whp and you're telling me that a 4-2-1 HKS EL is worth +20whp by itself? That's my issue with these numbers. No offense meant.
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I believe the set up is catless which is believable. Almost every dyno I have seen with all the bolt on mods that are catless all have gotten similar numbers. I wouldnt doubt the numbers they provided. A good tuner can be the difference of making more power or not. And there is no reason to think that they are BSing us when they are just giving us numbers they achieved from tuning a customers car that has this header. They arent trying to sell us/advertise the HKS header but they are letting us know how well they tuned a customers car with the following mods they listed. What do you honestly expect when you pay more for a reputable brands product. What you pay for is the R&D they put into it and the quality/craftsmanship. Look at Borlas early problems with warped flanges and how many people had to return it to them for the warranty. Sometimes people just prefer to pay more for a quality product that will work well. With HKS that is what you get for paying a little more for a great mod. Same thing with other mods for this car. Look at some of the more expensive intakes like Syms and GruppeM. They cost an arm and a leg but you know what you will be getting from them because you get what you pay for. Excellent craftsmanship, quality, and performance. When tuned it would be even better. Just like how Drift-Office has shown us with this HKS header after tuning it with excellent results.
It just seems like you are either jealous or just arent happy that another owner has gotten MUCH better numbers with an HKS header than your car with a Borla header. You dont see anyone knocking on you for buying a Borla header. If someone decides to pay more for a different vendors products let them. They obviously preferred the HKS because of who they are and what you get. You get what you pay for and it has been well documented that the Borla headers arent really that great compared to all the other headers out on the market. They were one of the first headers to be released.. What do you expect from a vendor/company to be one of the first ones to release a part for this car. Other headers that are taking longer to come out have much more R & D which in return are a better product. Just look at the Nameless header and how long it is taking to develope. I was very interested in the Nameless header and I wouldnt doubt that when it is all said and done that the Nameless headers will probably be one of the best headers for this car because of how long they are working on it to make sure they put out a great product. Borla headers are affordable but they released it early to make more money from people who didnt want to wait or was patient enough to wait for better headers to come out. Look at some of the early intakes and mods on this car that were the first models to come out. They turned out to either provide no gains or even lost power because they rushed it out to make some quick cash since they were the first ones to have that part out. AirRaid and Agency Power were one of the first vendors/companies to come out with some parts for this car and they have been proven to be the worse ones, but they ended up making a lot of money from people since they were one of the first ones to come out with those parts. Its not any different with the Borla headers and what do you expect from them when tons of other companies were still working/developing their headers when Borla came out with theres. The difference is Borla headers actually make some power where as AirRaid/Agency Powers mods didnt get any gain or were nothing close to what they advertised.
They are just simply showing some great gains they achieved from tuning this customers car. Why would you not believe it when they just showed us the dyno's. No one is forcing you to believe what they say. But when a shop/vendor/tuner is giving you proof with dyno's theres no reason to not believe it. These numbers have been achieved multiple times by a lot of other owners of the twins with similar mods or with all the bolt ons you can get w/ a tune. Theirs tons of other owners of this car that got similar numbers with all the bolt ons/tune. This car just happens to be one of the better tuned/performing cars on this forum. No one is forcing you to be in this thread. If you dont like it or dont believe it then ignore it and move on with your day. @
Drift-Office has been around these forums for a long time and are one of the more reputable/transparent vendors like Perrin/Nameless. They would have much more to lose than gain to lie about things like this. It takes a long time to build a good reputation and it only takes a second to ruin it.