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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k
Actually, nothing he said disagrees with my statement. He just has a different opinion/definition of durable. If you feel like a hybrid powertrain could be durable enough to last 22+ years and 300,000+ miles with an 8,000 rpm redline then I'm all for it.
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Lol, you'll see more Prii/Priuses w/ 150-200k miles on them running around than VTEC or M motors combined. Most of those ideally like to be rebuilt around that time from what I've seen. You should be more concerned about the longevity of a high performance mechanical engine than the hybrid powertrain if you are so concerned about hitting 200-300K miles. I am curious though how well the current and future regenerative system can stand up to hard repetitive braking over such a period of time however. I've certainly had some interesting experiences/sensations over the past 13 years but everything still works (knock on wood).
People that are so afraid of SMTs, DCTs, and hybrids for performance are just being archaic in their mindset. It's like cavemen being afraid of fire. Future Corvettes and Ferraris will all have hybrid variants or lone options and those guys are late to the party that Porsche and McLaren have already joined.
I think the ideal would be to have Subaru offer a 2.0/2.5L turbo and Toyota offer the 2.0/2.5L Hybrid if costs can be controlled to do both. They are built side by side so it's not too bad to get done especially w/ Toyota's assembly know how. Personally, the last thing I'd want in the 86 is turbo lag but some people actually seem to like the delayed kick in the butt. I'd rather have more displacement and better throttle response/control via ITBs myself.
The big question it seems to me is if Toyota and Subaru can get along enough to make the 86 project a longer term product and cooperate beyond 2018. I'm getting a sense they are growing weary of each other which would simply point to a failure of corporate leadership and management on both sides to agree on a compatible vision. From little bits and pieces I have gleaned, they seem to be behaving more American than Japanese in their partnership which is disappointing. I can say that I'd like to see a little more Kaizen from future products rolling out of Gunma.