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Originally Posted by Dezoris
Here is the thing on paper there is no comparison, its Vortech. Its a complete kit with intercooler for street and track and runs without drama in both venues on any fuel.
Until they intercool the Innovate its half baked.
Now real world Innovate tuned on 93 or E85 on the street feels great. The difference is all torque. But what it gains there it loses to the Vortech up top so really as you said a question of who you are.
I would think if you are dumpin over 4k you want a kit that will handle anything.
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~60 crank hp over stock is not half backed. The Vortech is for the track , for the street the base no intercooler innovate tune is reporting a 30% gain over stock, that puts it right up to a base Cayman which for $3700 bucks is a bargain unless several vendors are just outright liars.
Much more output than +30% and you are looking to burn up your manifold cats, prematurely wear out your clutch, and risk disintegrating the Aisin tranny which I don't think is rated anywhere near a 300hp crank hp car. Might be good for 10k-30k mi, who knows? Modifying a street car can becomes an endless cycle.
The Innovate just looks like a clean install with the lowest risk because it is a very modest increase up top. Low-midrange its a decent boost for the $'s.
That said if the header+tune dynos are real I'd probably be just as content with that alone as it looks to put the FRS at an S2k level. That's real low risk and some of the dynos are pretty close to the innovate on pump.
For now a tune (hopefully not EcuTek which permanently voids the warranty) and a quality header is the smart way to go. Its reversible has practically no risk, tuned right and stops the engine from sucking its own exhaust like a sht eating dog which cures the torque dip.
I appreciate early adopters and the videos with experience sharing. Its obvious that the Vortech has the most potential but that costs lots and lots of money to make it withstand the dd street abuse, 50k miles from now I don't want to be fuking around out in the could with a broken belt or froen bearings, replacing a tranny. That's why I see the innovate with all its shortcomings as a reasonable alternative.