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Originally Posted by hmong337
I'm sure Toyota engineers have progressed in the 10+ years since the last sports car. The FRS/BRZ is BETTER.
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This, I am not so sure about. Toyota has made advancements in emission controls and gadgets/gizmos that people seems to want in their cars these days. And the radios are better now. But other than that, where is the progress?
The direct injection system was created more for emissions than performance.
The car is much heavier. The excuse for them missing their goal of 2500LBs is always given as emissions and safety.
The stock 2ZZ matches the horsepower per liter of the 13 year newer FA20.
The highest HP I have seen on a 2ZZ with bolt ons and stock ECU is 183WHP (At DDPR)
The highest with bolt ons and a PFC+tunes is 197 WHP
The highest HP I have seen for a FR-S/BRZ with bolt ons and tune are two that produced 200WHP
All of these are on 92-93 pump gas.
Strip the body panels off a MR-S and you will see it is an amazing machine in its simplicity and functionality. It is also very solidly built and has proven to be very crashworthy in accidents
I do have a FR-S in the family for comparison and the MR-S is built at least as well as the FT86
As I have stated before I have seen 38.3 MPG highway and I was not trying to be economical at the time. I have a 6 speed with 4.59 final drive. I have not seen a FR-S or BRZ get that MPG yet but I may have missed it.
Toyota had all the parts to build the 2ZZ Spyder 13 years ago. Where then is all the progress in those years?
The one thing they have definitely improved upon is low end torque in the FA20 which is ironic considering that so many complain about the torque dip. I seldom notice the lack of low end torque in the 2ZZ. Maybe that is because I am only accelerating 2200LBs.
If emissions and gadgets are what you are calling progress then I agree with you. If you are referring to performance gains then please explain your views on this.