[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

Peak power only one part of the performance equation. Peak power is no more important than how it gets there.

How the fr-s/brz gets its 200hp is not subjectively or objectively "better" than how the s2000 gets its 237hp.

Would you rather be making 180hp or 150hp @ 5k rpm?

brz isn't making 180hp until about 6000rpm, where the S2000 is making close to 180 as well. Above that rpm, of course the F2xC kills the FA20.

What car do you think will accelerate faster in that rev range? Which car do you think will have better acceleration out of the corner if it were to dip that low? What the car makes at 8k rpm is irrelevant if the motor is only spinning at 5k rpm.

What kind of idiot would drive an S2000 as if it had a 7400rpm rev limit when he wants max acceleration?! For a given level of speediness, you're going to be spinning at higher revs in the s2000, of course! This is not a chore at all, it's totally natural and doesn't require an ounce more effort. Same vs same driving style, you're going to be spinning about 20% higher revs in the s2000 vs the brz/fr-s.

I'm not saying peak power isn't important, I'm saying you need to look at the whole curve.

I have seen the curves and experienced the power delivery. I see and feel a HUGE annoying dip at 4000rpm in the brz curve. The f20c has a ridiculous bump at 6k, but above or below that it is nice and smooth. This works well for my usage, as on the street I almost never above 6k and at the track I'm never below 6k, so I rarely encounter the discontinuity. The bump is less severe for the f22c, but the much lower rev limit is annoying. Not enough headroom above peak power rpm.

Looking only at peak power and determining performance from that is ricer armchair math.

And trying to tout a subjectively and objectively inferior (in terms of power/power delivery) powerplant as better based on a nebulous quality not fully grasped could be called fanboism!

Why do you quote 'under the curve' as if it doesn't exist or its being made up?

Because the way you're using it, it may as well be.

FWIW, this isn't about BRZ vs S2000. That is like arguing over what is the fastest type of snail (both are slow). This is more about a car's entire powerband instead of peak numbers.

And the brz powerband has a glaring hole right in the middle of it. It is not making objectively more or subjectively better "power under the curve".
It makes more torque, which is fine, but of course the s2000 powerplant WAY more than makes up for this with revs. And again, anyone who drives an s2000 around at exactly the same revs as a brz is doing it wrong. You naturally drive the lower-torque/higher-revving s2000 at higher rpm levels for the same type of driving.

Oh, and while they may both be what some now consider "slow", it doesn't mean that they are equals in this regard. The fr-s/brz is significantly slower.