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Old 01-05-2012, 11:53 AM   #58
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Most modern cars have enough stock brake to lock r comps without an issue Oh and I didn't know that the Subaru WRX 4 pots are the same as Z32TT calipers. Fluid related fade happens but it's not the only component to create brake fade.

Just for some examples of some pad abuse, here you go... (linking to avoid people having to scroll past the pics)

This is a Hawk Blue 9012. One of my teammates installed it wrong. It was raced like this for 5 hours. I took the first stint in it and immediately noticed the problem but we were in third at the time about 6 hours into the race.. it got better after a few laps so we just ran it (we didn't know it was backwards at the time)..

Note the mark from the piston.. on the pad material...
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake1.jpg
This is the backing plate, which was instead used as the pad
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake2.jpg

This pad was destroyed on Sebring's club course (a very brake unfriendly configuration). This pad was used simply because we needed something to work for a 2 hour stint. It worked for about 1 hour 45 minutes before failure. This pad is from a set of $20 wearever silvers (yes, I'm serious about that).
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake3.jpg
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake4.jpg

The above resulted in a damaged (melted) brake piston...

This is a stoptech semi-track pad. This was also from Sebring's short course. As you can tell we badly overheated the material but the pad still lasted for about 6 hours of race use on a brake unfriendly track and never really failed, but obviously it's life was reduced because it was a poor pad choice for the job.
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake5.jpg
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake6.jpg
http://www.itrexpo.com/users/dave/ch...kes/brake7.jpg

The race car runs 1000-1200 degree rotor/pad temps, calipers in the 400-500 range (at sebring club course). This is what happens when you either use a valid pad incorrectly or you use pads that were not designed for the intended purpose.

With better pads (or correct installation :P ) we've gotten over 14 hours of racing straight (endurance racing) on a set of pads without killing them.
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