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Originally Posted by vgi
I'm sure that's exactly how toyota/subaru views these issues so far.
However this view on those stats seems a bit shortsighted:
- The issues seems to be happening with the cars that have about over 20K miles and/or are tracked. Considering the car has been out for about a year, why don't you think and reflect how many cars already have over 20K and how many cars out of those have been driven often between 4-7K rpm?
- Not all people share their issues with DI, and not all who did have voted on this thread.
- The problem does have a high potential to be a widespread issue and that high potential is what pretty much stops many people who would gladly mod their cars from doing it.
Considering we are a year or even two away from seeing the problem is a widespread, i wonder how many decide not to deal with this BS and switch to some other platform new miata, Z, heck even mustang or camaro if they manage to put those pigs on a diet or some used cars where 135i seems the best match for money.
Btw, those who ignore little smoke often get a wild fire on their hands shortly. Folks from subaru/toyota should act before community of enthusiasts started leaving this platform labeling it as too problematic and money pit. IMO
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Of course Toyota is thinking this way! With less than a 1% failure rate any business would be crazy to make a big deal about it. Like you mentioned, there are SO many factors that could have attributed to the failures. Lack of an oil cooler comes to mind. These cars get hot! We've seen this and even on a stock car, it looks like an oil cooler would be a good idea if open tracking.
As far as your second point, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying! There is no way that a pole like this will be accurate, ESPECIALLY on a forum where everyone makes thread to complain. You potentially have tens of thousands of cars that we will NEVER hear from, most of which will probably NEVER HAVE A SINGLE PROBLEM! Making the percentage of failures EVEN LESS. Toyota gets all these stats and if it DOES become an issue, they will take care of it! They have done it in the past and they continue to make little tweaks as small problems arise even now. What makes you think they will let this become something widespread?
It is AMAZING to me the difference between an 86 that was built in the first couple months compared to mine built in January of 2013. All the "issues" everyone was freaking out about in the beginning of the cars existence has been fixed on mine. I have periodic crickets, but those are even pretty rare. I have not had a single other issue that plagued these cars in the beginning.
As far as people swapping to another brand because of this, that is absurd. People flock to the E46 M3 and it has a TON of issues. A DI failing on less than 1% of the cars built is not going to have most people lift an eye brow. If they abandon the car because of someone's uncle's friend's dad once new a guy who's son had his DI fail on his car, I will make sure to smile and wave as they go to another car. The car is a money pit for so many reasons and failures have nothing to do with them, lack of power, however, does
