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Originally Posted by denkigrve

Correct. There needs to be a much bigger sampling size to really understand the impact of this. I worked for an electronics company, our focus in field failure analysis (until I wanted to live the startup life. lol). Based on what I know from doing that for a few years, this sample size and current information available is EXTREMELY low. It's easy to say "this is a HUGE issue" when it's close to you, but you need to see the whole picture first.

Some questions I'd want answered if I was doing this for work:

-What were the build times for those cars? Were they all from a similar production run and purchased as a batch?
-Why has no-one in Japan been complaining about this? The car is infinitely more popular in Japan than it is here, I'm shocked that this is "such a big issue" and "all cars will be impacted by this" yet there is no word out of the Japanese tuners complaining of this?
-Along this line, is it only impacting certain regions and not others? What type of gas/oil is being used in the US and EU? Could there be an impact there?
-What is the average time to fail for these issues in the cars that have the issue? How were they driven? Did this happen to any of the daily driven cars?
- What mods have been done to all of these cars? Did this happen to any stock cars?

I think there are close to 10k+ twins sold in the US alone, and close to 20-30 people talking about having this issue on these forums, and then the 4 cars in Germany. So let's take the high end approach, that's 34 cars. That's a .3% failure rate. It's really low. That number only gets smaller as more actual sales are added in. We also don't know how many people have this and don't know it. We only have hard evidence to go on. Anything else is based on assumption.

You can't jump to conclusions and think that all cars are bad without having factual evidence. If all cars were bad then folks that are tracking/Auto-Xing all of the time would be the ideal candidates for running into this. So far it's only a few. I feel really badly for CSGMike, he's taken what seems to be the brunt of this, but I know others like ScoobySouth, Blainewashere, Motomiwa, and others that are in their cars ALL of the time and don't have this problem.

I guarantee you that someone in Toyota/Subaru is actually looking into this, but until those reported numbers start to climb above 1% of the units in the field, the company isn't going to say anything. They're also likely trying to find the least cost impactful way of resolving this. If they are ignoring it and it turns out to be a really big issue, then it'll only bite them in the ass when they get sued and we all get free re-built motors.

I dunno, if it were me in my old job, I'd be making sure someone was looking into this, but we'd never see this since most of that works is done in confidential environments, and the only time the customer knows is when something is actually done/fixed/etc.

Great post. According to stats from goodcarbadcar Toyota and Subaru have sold just shy of 35k cars in North America alone. I would daresay to double that number for worldwide??