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Originally Posted by suaveflooder
Not trying to discredit you, but this is FAR from a widespread issue. I'm not saying that it's not an issue, but this is now my third forum with cars that have, or were said to have "common catastrophic failures" due to [enter your failed part here]. In every case, there were really no reasons for the failures, plenty of ideas from internet mechanics and engineers, but nothing solid. In each case there was no reason why it started as all the cars varied from daily drivers, to track warriors, to the weekend driver....in each category, there were FAR MORE people doing the same activities with zero issues. But for some reason, people LOVE to scream fire when they see a little smoke.
Now lets take a look on this forum. We have 36,505 (as of 12:07 pacific time on July 6th 2013). Lets assume that what....half of them actually own an FRS/BRZ/GT86? (might be a little low, but oh well). We are up to 17 people with an issue on this forum. So 17 divided by 18,252 total owners and you get 0.0009314 of the total community owners have this issue.
Now here is the list of the current cars built from Spaceywilly's thread
There is a point where it can become a concern and it's simply not there yet. A forum is hardly a place to gather real facts or statistics about failures due to the fact that there are a LOT of FRS/BRZ/GT86 owners that will never visit this site and vote in the poll. Only toyota and subaru will ever know the true statistics and based on what I hear about them being amazing at addressing any MAJOR issues, I'm not really overly concerned. If I have to deal with a DI failing, I'll deal with it then. 0.09% falure out of 18k owners is not something I'm going to park my car for or make a big stink to toyota about.
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I'm sure that's exactly how toyota/subaru views these issues so far.
However this view on those stats seems a bit shortsighted:
- The issues seems to be happening with the cars that have about over 20K miles and/or are tracked. Considering the car has been out for about a year, why don't you think and reflect how many cars already have over 20K and how many cars out of those have been driven often between 4-7K rpm?
- Not all people share their issues with DI, and not all who did have voted on this thread.
- The problem does have a high potential to be a widespread issue and that high potential is what pretty much stops many people who would gladly mod their cars from doing it.
Considering we are a year or even two away from seeing the problem is a widespread, i wonder how many decide not to deal with this BS and switch to some other platform new miata, Z, heck even mustang or camaro if they manage to put those pigs on a diet or some used cars where 135i seems the best match for money.
Btw, those who ignore little smoke often get a wild fire on their hands shortly. Folks from subaru/toyota should act before community of enthusiasts started leaving this platform labeling it as too problematic and money pit. IMO