That makes at least two of us. I think the push button start is a silly gimmick and I hate them. So I am "stuck" with buying a "basic" FRS. Although it's hard to call a car "basic" when it comes with A/C, CC, PW/PL/PM, TC, remote trunk release, ABS, 4-wheel discs, alloy wheels, back up camera, tilt/telescope leather steering wheel, floor mats, auto headlights, and air bags. My first car, a 1979 Celica, came with none of the above and I would be perfectly happy if I could get a car with just the A/C, CC, and 4-wheel discs out of the above list. Then I would also have a "blank canvas" to add the parts I want. It pains me to buy new alloys to replace factory alloys instead of factory steelies, for example.

I said the same thing about keyless entry and push button start until I had 3 cars in a row with it. Now it is the only thing I miss and I mutter under my breath every single time I have to dig that damned key out of my pocket.


As far as the rest of the list goes you will never see a car without most of that again. That is the new definition of "basic" I am afraid.

You can get a Nissan versa with crank windows and manual locks.


You can get a Nissan frontier without AC and radio with a manual.


Unfortunately, nobody makes a stripped down single cab manual truck anymore. Now with this reverse camera BS being mandatory..... every car will have a "cool" radio and go up in price. We keep paying for safety features that are being mandated.

As a person who wears Dockers (long pockets) and cannot find anything in his pocket when he needs it, I love my keyless entry/push start. I also love passing next to the car at night, the light inside the car lights up to say "hey.... Drive me!"

Been that way for decades and will never change. The old single cylinder masters were probably way cheaper to make but it was a sonofabitch if you broke a brake line.
Many pine for the good old days and the base cars but there were valid reasons why most features are there now. Do agree that things like mandated back up cameras may be getting a bit carried away though.


I have no clue how they can manage to not offer stripped down pickup since many want a simple work vehicle. We tried to order a stripped down Ford for work and although we could get one it was going to take 6 months and cost more than a stock "base" model off the dealer lot.

I actually looked at a Nissan frontier. The base model without radio and a four cylinder five speed extended cab truck (no standard cab available) was still like 20K.


I remember in 2003 when I bought a base model standard cab S-10 for 10,200.... if they still made those trucks I'd still have one, lol.

They came first and said were going to total it. Now their fixing it. Yea no I'd tell them to get bent while I contact a lawyer and tell him my insurance company has decided to put me in ansafe car

Had 2005 nismo 4x4. It was a total bad ass stock. Had everything. Bilstine suspension upgraded exhaust big ass tires bed rail system. Get me where I wanted go and could tow a bulldozer. I had to sell it when economy crashed.

Where exactly did you read that they told him it was totaled? He said totaled at first but that does not mean they said it. There is no way they would total it for $12K damage in most jurisdictions.
Just because it is repaired does also not make it an "unsafe car". They can fix them just as good as new.
As much as it may suck for the owners if every car that ever got damaged was written off then insurance premiums would be 10 times what they are now. If it can be fixed it should be (Easy for me to say it isn't my car, I know). If somebody else's fault then go for diminished value. If your own fault then suck it up and enjoy your freshly painted car.

I actually considered an Xterra pro-4x with a six speed manual. I really liked those things, could still tow and was pretty fun to drive. I wound up getting a Subaru forester to daily.

Thank god you're ok!

Like I said,,the car never leave you. I will drive my FRS until it cannot be repairs!
Take good care of it!!!And drive it until it dies!

I've rented a few cars with push button start and it was just annoying to me. Maybe if they had a hook or holder for the fob which always seemed to just poke me in the wrong places while I was sitting so I have to take it out of my pocket anyway. Then I would stick it in the console but then forget about it. Also, I might be more amenable to it if one did not have to step on the brake pedal for the car to start. I know that is not much different than stepping on a clutch when starting the car but I expect auto cars to be much more simpler to use...

No thanks; I've rented one and the sacrifice of everything else is not worth it...


Yeah... that's why I still have my 1988 Toyota pickup. The only options I got on it were A/C and PS.

LOL I don't think there is any possible way to rebut these comments without sounding like a total jerk so I will just smile, nod and walk away.
I guess it is all just in what you get used to really.