Fuji Heavy Industry said 5,000 orders of the BRZ so far by the end of May. 70% are MT
 

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Here is the direct translation. Don't blame its contents on me :(

Source: http://response.jp/article/2012/06/26/176804.html
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Fuji Heavy Industry just announced they have received more than 5,000 orders of the BRZ at the time of the end of May for two months since its release.

Kimihiko Sato, BRZ Project GM, said "The highest grade, 'S', got most popular. 70% of the orders are the MT, but the ATs are getting increasing."

He added "Even though we have a full production at the Gunma Plant, if you place your order now, the expected delivery date will be in March or April of the year 2013."
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Nothing about Toyota 86/FR-S.

Meanwhile, Toyota Japan posted a different thing, "ETA will be after October for orders from now on...." on their official web, June 15.
Source: http://www.toyota.co.jp/jp/news/86.html


This is just about Japan, of course, the situation will be different in each country, i.e. allotment, demands, marketing factors......:iono:

Doh, really sucks for the people that put in orders :(

I wonder if this is how those SoA jackasses get their "October" ETA's? Well if I can get it for the right price, I'm going for a 370Z then.

looks like Subaru and Toyota never expected demand to be this high. Like what everyone has been saying for the past few months, Toyobaru were very conservative in their numbers.

They should've at least planned to increase production volumes at one point and allocated another production line somewhere as a "just in case" scenario.

This will just fuel dealers to justify their mark-ups now. No bueno.

Anyone wanna buy my BRZ for $40k? :confused0068:

I would almost argue FOR this initial limited supply because the demand shows that the market is there. Now they have all the more reason to pump out STI/TRD variants. Competitors take note. Looking at YOU, Honda.

you betcha....say hello to Mr Market Adjustment.

Well, Subaru did have thier marketing team state they wanted to keep them rare...

I hope all those who ordered recently get them sooner rather than later.

Honda looks left no integra...looks right no s2000...looks down... pants down :)

... Looking at YOU Mazda.

mmmmm....I think Mazda is already looking at market reaction...

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/25/m...-for-feedback/

As for Honda, hahahaha! They just need a lower priced S2000 and they'll be set! If the BRZ ever revved up to 8K, it's over.

I'm glad it maxes out at 7400 :D

i wouldn't have expected this... knowing that now a lot of people are going to get this car makes me feel not special getting this car anymore :T but yea in 2 years from now hopefully i would have saved enough money for one :D

The real question is.. how much is that Mazda going to be MSRP-wise. All those frills like carbon fiber don't come cheap.

I placed my order on June 12 and got a guarantee that they will deliver my BRZ by end of August.. Should I be thinking about another car? :S

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Well ill just wait for sti then

i was told i had a von number a few weeks ago. I wonder when it should be delivered? hope i get it before sema. I have parts to install dammit!

A VON or a VIN? A VON doesn't mean squat. I have 2 VONs, one from mid-May and the other from last week, with general ETAs of October. A VON just means subaru officially got your order and it MIGHT be in production.

Looking at YOU, Nissan. Not everyone can afford a 370Z....

you've been waiting??????
 

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try this on for size...

emailed Subaru South Africa in December 2011 reagrding the BRZ. Asked to be put on the list the same month. Filled in the Offer to purchase the same month. ...well....still waiting for the car...no ETA...:mad0260:

I hope the FRS and BRZ start a "pony car war" of sorts like what happened in the '60s in response to the Mustang. It would be cool to see what the other manufactures could come up with as a response to these two cars. One thing is for sure, everybody else will be playing CATCH UP to Toyota and Subaru. And they will still have to price it at or below $25k to even get people interested.

Not very many people would buy that Miata mentioned above. People that like Miatas already have Miatas. The other companies will have to build from the ground up too. It took 5 years for Chevy to respond to Ford's "New Mustang" in 2005. So I think our Hachi-Roku's will reign king for the time being.

Try Recaros and sticky rubber - that's $3000 right there. The car detailed in the article is nowhere near $25K, or even $30K. Sounds like a $35K car to me. STI, EVO, Z territory.

Hah, isn't Honda releasing a new line of engines this coming year with DI and 3 stage VTEC? (it's about f***ing time Honda.) I remember the press release talking about a 1.5, 1.8, 2.4, and 3.5L. Oops, those sound like L15, R18, K24, and J35 refreshes :(

An MR2 like car from Honda with a slightly hotted up 1.5 or 1.8 would be really awesome IMO. CRZ is a little short on everything.

I'm still assuming (and hoping) this is just for JDM. Didnt they mention they were putting the JDM line on hold, to cope with global demand?

I am waiting to place my order for a March-June 13' delivery...hopefully this wont affect when I should place it (around Dec, Jan).....

This made me very sad.

This changes everything! I'm not happy right now.

I knew the car was special, but I think none of us expected there to be this much demand.

I might be in a hurry to buy something soon, so I might end up just getting a cheap NA Miata or something to hold me over until the BRZs are more plentiful, if I can't find the one I want when I need it.

Dude I basically want a 2014 model, if I am going to get a January to April delivery date. 2014 models should be out by may or june 2013.

But there are cars sitting on the lots right now...BRZ and FR-S. If you really want one, you can find one right now. It might not be the color you want, but they are out there, with more unspoken ones coming each month.

^ this .. i still dont have my frs because i really want whiteout which for my luck became very popular,but if i wasnt so picky with color my frs by now would be on my parking the same with brz i know a dealer in palmdale ca that had 2 brz for
two weeks sitting on their lot i just think is a matter of searching also
this bad news are only for jdm frs/brz.

I'm gonna be really aggravated if I can't order one in a couple months and see it before the snow falls. I just had to give up my pre-order due to financial BS :mad0259:

Let's be sure we idenfity which market this news is about. It seems to me they are talking about the JDM market. Just because Japan is out to March of 13 for deliveries doens't mean the USDM is.

If you want one bad enough, you can get one. I know there are dealerships in Colorado selling them off the lot at or near invoice. They are also plentiful in New England.

I know this is just JDM news but the only dealer within 100 miles that has received BRZs have sold theirs for $35,900 and $36,400 limited MT (WRB) and limited AT (black) with rear diffuser and auto dimming RV mirror. They are making some solid money off those.

I am just wondering, How many of you guys would love to see the return of the 240/200/180/S13-15 from Nissan? Every time I look at our new toyobaru I get good happy feelings like one did from those cars :)

A new rear drive sports car (under 28kUSD [2012 money]) revival would be amazing! new Miata, FRS/BRZ, Gen Coupe*, add a 240/S13, or one other and I think we would all benefit just like back in the late 80's early 90's. Just this time, tell them to quit adding weight to our cars with stupid junk (like electric motors for everything)!


Back to your post, it would be great for the FF fans too if there was a new Integra/RSX, and a new celica too. What I would really go for from Honda comes in the form of a FR Coupe/Fastback version of the S2000 :)

Here is to hoping we all get our way!

I agree. The first thing that came to mind was JDM and not here. Regardless of the availability if searching, I will be ordering one for next year at a local dealer I've selected.

I'm in no rush at the moment, but thought at first that this would affect when I actually ordered it....but then realized its for JDM.

Mazda tried and missed the mark: RX-8, Miata
Honda tried and missed the mark: S2000
Nissan tried and came closer: 370Z
Hyundai tried and imho came closest: Genesis Coupe

What's the criteria?

1. 2(+2) pure "fun" RWD sports car with serious Auto-X/Track day credibility and looks to match
2. Practical for DD use in terms of space, reliability, maintenance, fuel economy, and some level of comfort
3. Available near the average new car price which right now I believe is around $27k

Take away the RWD Sports Car and you can add all the hot hatches to the mix including the Mini Cooper, GTI, Civic Si, SRT, etc...
Take away pricing and you have options upmarket such as Cayman, 135i, Corvette, etc...
Ford has the Mustang/Chevy the Camaro which most Sports Car people consider to be muscle cars right or wrong.

I don't agree with "missed the mark" at all for many of the above cars. Most of them are 2 seater (not +2) that have had successful runs.

S2000 had a 10 year run, and was met with lots of accolades and favorable reviews.

The Miata has been for sale since 1989 and continues to be sold. Very favorable reviews and hardcore support.

The 370z succeeds the 350z. I think the Z cars have hit the mark. Very popular cars, with solid reviews..

Not really understanding your point. All of the above are 2 seaters with no backseats and the Miata and S2000 are convertibles.

The verdict is out on the Gencoupe, but sales are up over last year and I have not heard of any plans for Hyundai to kill off the car. It will most likely continue to evolve.

I have a feeling if this trend continues, a lot of other manufacturers are going to start throwing money into small sports cars hoping to see the same success, but only see a fraction of what they were hoping for.

Subaru/Toyota set their expectations low, as is evidence by the production numbers. And thinking logically, it makes sense. Why would *so* many people want a sports car with the traditional sacrifices (harsher ride, more noise, less space for passengers, etc.)? I know we're all car enthusiasts, but take a step back and realize just how many boring cars are out there. The majority use cars for commuting, point A to point B.

But let's say you run Nissan, and see that Subaru & Toyota struck gold with this car. You're probably going to try and get some 240SX movement going, and fast. I see 2 ways of going about this. Either make it "faster around the 'ring" (read that as throwing technology into the car to make it better on paper in every category), or address the concerns that have arisen from the BRZ/FR-S. The first route is most likely going to result in bad reception (lack of technology and performance goals was what made the BRZ/FR-S special), while the second route sounds pretty difficult too. What complaints are there about the BRZ/FR-S? The biggest is probably the "lack of power", but in my opinion, that contributes to the balance of the car.

Then there's the issue of timing. Subaru/Toyota have been working on this for something like 4 or 5 years! Unless these other manufacturers have been in R&D mode specifically for a small sports car for quite some time, it sounds like Subaru/Toyota will enjoy this spot light for some time to come.

I know there are lots of small sports cars out there, but I'm thinking companies will try and align some of their models to compete more directly with the BRZ/FR-S, but they're trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Regardless, here's hoping to a generation of fun, exciting, and affordable sports cars starting now!

Lucius, from what I have been told, on good authority, is that South Africa will be receiving 300 Toyota and only 10 BRZ this year.
So if you want the BRZ, be prepared to wait until Dec/Jan.
I personally have my name down for the 86. Servicing my Subaru Impreza has been a real pain with so few dealerships around. Subarus don't hold their value in SA either

Yup the Fr-s is sitting on lots. I am surrounded by 6 or 7 dealers and they all have 1 or 2. Some have been sitting there for more than a week and they are all calling me. I told them I am only paying invoice price since I am paying in full cash.

Good insight my friend. totally agree. Now...when is the official meet for NW owners? ;)

If I'm running Nissan I'm saying dig into the 1984 archives and deliver the MID4! Yes, I'm still on that rant....

http://www.medleynews.com/wp-content...-Concept-b.jpg

Placed my order last Wednesday........got my :popcorn: out and will wait for the boat to arrive....:cry: may make a nice Christmas gift though....