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ricerocket93 11-12-2015 07:52 AM

Subaru BRZ Patent Drawings
 
http://jalopnik.com/these-are-the-pa...-br-1741899142

Dorb 11-12-2015 08:07 AM

Yep, now watch the price go up and everyone complain about how expensive our little entry level sports car has become and how you might as well buy xbrand car now because this cost too much.
The car was built to be at a certain price point and to modded to what you want to make it, they said this from the start.

maybebrz 11-12-2015 08:08 AM

Honestly the only way I would buy this car if the price dropped and/or there was a significant upgrade and stayed the same price or went lower.

carma143 11-12-2015 08:29 AM

I doubt that design will remain a classic. Ours on the other hand...

DSOmegaX 11-12-2015 06:30 PM

I love how people freak out when they see a patent assuming it's a green light for production. It is not. Hundreds of thousands of patents are filed and approved for products that never see fruition. The point of a patent is to simply protect the intellectual property; in this case, that patent was created so that Subaru could protect the rights for the design of their concept car so that it isn't stolen, misused by third parties, etc. It is by no means ANY indication that they're making it an official product, it just to protect what was already built.

asdf 11-12-2015 07:21 PM

that first comment made me laugh:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...1806669745.png

skidmark86 11-12-2015 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2449109)
Honestly the only way I would buy this car if the price dropped and/or there was a significant upgrade and stayed the same price or went lower.

Would you consider it if it came with an off-center front license plate??

yelsew 11-12-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by skidmark86 (Post 2449848)
Would you consider it if it came with an off-center front license plate??


Absolutely!


Sent from my Glade Air Freshener

maybebrz 11-12-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidmark86 (Post 2449848)
Would you consider it if it came with an off-center front license plate??

No. I'd literally never buy a car with one.

Gunman 11-12-2015 10:42 PM

I didn't know you could patent a car...car's are not a new invention. Parts of a car, yes, but a whole car? Copyright, I can see, even trademarks, but a patent?

...then again, the peanut butter and jelly sandwich has a patent. (more on how its made without crust, than the idea of a sandwich). atent No. 6,004,596

Tcoat 11-12-2015 10:42 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97517

Tcoat 11-12-2015 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2450008)
I didn't know you could patent a car...car's are not a new invention. Parts of a car, yes, but a whole car? Copyright, I can see, even trademarks, but a patent?

...then again, the peanut butter and jelly sandwich has a patent. (more on how its made without crust, than the idea of a sandwich). atent No. 6,004,596

They are not patenting the car per se but the design and body style. It just protects their intellectual property and does not mean much more. This is popping up on most of the auto clickbaits since there is no real news to talk about at this time of year.

Tcoat 11-12-2015 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2449109)
Honestly the only way I would buy this car if the price dropped and/or there was a significant upgrade and stayed the same price or went lower.

Buy which the BRZ or the STi?

Gunman 11-12-2015 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450012)
They are not patenting the car per se but the design and body style. It just protects their intellectual property and does not mean much more. This is popping up on most of the auto clickbaits since there is no real news to talk about at this time of year.

I still don't see anything patent able about the style of a car, unless laws are different in Japan. It would seem to fall under copyright law, as I understand it.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450013)
Buy which the BRZ or the STi?

Brz

carma143 11-13-2015 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2450037)
I still don't see anything patent able about the style of a car, unless laws are different in Japan. It would seem to fall under copyright law, as I understand it.

I'm picking at straws here, but maybe it is patent-able because the design isn't simply for show. Car designs in sports cars are usually rigorously tested to produce a low drag coefficient, among other performance related enhancements.

I have still yet to apply for a patent at the ripe age of 18, but I would wager that the time and effort put into "function over form" warrants a patent.

Tcoat 11-13-2015 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2449109)
Honestly the only way I would buy this car if the price dropped and/or there was a significant upgrade and stayed the same price or went lower.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450013)
Buy which the BRZ or the STi?

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450115)
Brz

How do you think that they can do a "significant upgrade" and charge the same or less? What constitutes a "significant upgrade"?

maybebrz 11-13-2015 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450219)
How do you think that they can do a "significant upgrade" and charge the same or less? What constitutes a "significant upgrade"?

I don't know, I'm not a car engineer. My options for buying one would be a) keep it the same but lower the price ~5K or b) keep it the same price and add more power and some interior upgrades.

Tcoat 11-13-2015 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450248)
I don't know, I'm not a car engineer. My options for buying one would be a) keep it the same but lower the price ~5K or b) keep it the same price and add more power and some interior upgrades.

The manufacturer currently makes about $1K a car so I don't think there is any room to bring it down $5K and the price is what it is I am afraid. As far as the more power aspect goes, have you test drove one to see if it needs it?

BRZoomTX 11-13-2015 10:16 AM

These are the patents for the BRZ STi prototype design. Subaru patents all of their prototypes. This is nothing new.

Subaru never delivers on their prototypes. The BRZ will not be any different. Its just a patent to protect that design.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450254)
The manufacturer currently makes about $1K a car so I don't think there is any room to bring it down $5K and the price is what it is I am afraid. As far as the more power aspect goes, have you test drove one to see if it needs it?

Yes

fumanchu1 11-13-2015 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450248)
I don't know, I'm not a car engineer. My options for buying one would be a) keep it the same but lower the price ~5K or b) keep it the same price and add more power and some interior upgrades.

So let me get this straight you want a bonified sports car for the price of a fiat 500... got it you are fucking off your rockers

jawn 11-13-2015 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2450037)
I still don't see anything patent able about the style of a car, unless laws are different in Japan. It would seem to fall under copyright law, as I understand it.

In the US, you can certainly file for a design patent. There is some overlap in what is copyrightable material and patentable material. This is an article of manufacture, so a design patent does apply here. Design patents are subject to a 15 year term.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2450758)
So let me get this straight you want a bonified sports car for the price of a fiat 500... got it you are fucking off your rockers

http://artofgears.com/2015/10/11/lea...ighs-2160-lbs/

fumanchu1 11-13-2015 06:53 PM

not a dedicated sports car its a sporty sub-compact, try again.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2450834)
not a dedicated sports car its a sporty sub-compact, try again.

No, that is a dedicated sports car. And what am I trying for again? Anyway it's what I'm going to buy if it comes out soon. The BRZ is $5K too expensive like I said. I mean reasons why or why not don't really matter, it just is.

Gunman 11-13-2015 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawn (Post 2450765)
In the US, you can certainly file for a design patent. There is some overlap in what is copyrightable material and patentable material. This is an article of manufacture, so a design patent does apply here. Design patents are subject to a 15 year term.

I'm no legal expert, I just know on cars that I've worked on the design, patents were gotten on certain parts/mechanisms, but never on the entire car. On another car, the car's shape, logo, name, etc., have gotten copyrights.

Tcoat 11-13-2015 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450820)

Dude! It is a clickbait site quoting a forum as it's source. Hardly a credible statement.

Tcoat 11-13-2015 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450838)
No, that is a dedicated sports car. And what am I trying for again? Anyway it's what I'm going to buy if it comes out soon. The BRZ is $5K too expensive like I said. I mean reasons why or why not don't really matter, it just is.

It is intended to be an entry level sports car yes but it is not a dedicated sports car. But odds are (pure speculation I admit) that it will not be a whole lot cheaper when or even if they make it. It is still only a concept as made very clear by the Toyota spokesman that introduced it o a Japan release is probably at least a couple of years away. That does not mean it will even be brought to the US. You may have a long wait. If price is your concern then there are loads of good deals on used FRS or BRZs out there that would save you that $5K.

KR-S 11-13-2015 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2450838)
No, that is a dedicated sports car. And what am I trying for again? Anyway it's what I'm going to buy if it comes out soon. The BRZ is $5K too expensive like I said. I mean reasons why or why not don't really matter, it just is.

You know, I'd suggest the new Miata, but even that's probably too expensive for what you're looking for.

I'm gonna have to agree that a used twin or an older Miata might be in your range.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2450985)
Dude! It is a clickbait site quoting a forum as it's source. Hardly a credible statement.

Well that's just one site, it's already been announced by Toyota

http://www.leftlanenews.com/producti...our-90214.html

KR-S 11-13-2015 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2451007)
Well that's just one site, it's already been announced by Toyota

http://www.leftlanenews.com/producti...our-90214.html

Toyota also announced that the 2017 FR-S will come totaled from factory.

No, but seriously, that's more clickbait.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2451004)
You know, I'd suggest the new Miata, but even that's probably too expensive for what you're looking for.

I'm gonna have to agree that a used twin or an older Miata might be in your range.

Yes I'm looking at Miatas too. I'm wary of used but I probably won't buy for another 10 months or so.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2451009)
Toyota also announced that the 2017 FR-S will come totaled from factory.

No, but seriously, that's more clickbait.

Well what can I say, I bought a pc so I can click stuff

Tcoat 11-13-2015 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2451007)
Well that's just one site, it's already been announced by Toyota

http://www.leftlanenews.com/producti...our-90214.html

No, Toyota has not announced any such thing.


And citing another clickbait does not confirm the first. In fact they are quoting motoring.au which is sort of the Grand Master of the clickbaits. They make shit up and the others run with it. There are probably 100 sites running with fictional info from motoring now but not one single official word from Toyota other then they are working on a concept.

KR-S 11-13-2015 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maybebrz (Post 2451012)
Well what can I say, I bought a pc so I can click stuff

Yes, but it's been established here that clickbait articles like that have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Unless the news is from an official Toyota pressroom site, there is no point in believing anything otherwise.

As for the Miata, I'm no expert on it, but there's plenty of Miata guys here that might point you in the right direction if you choose to go down that route.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2451018)
No, Toyota has not announced any such thing.


And citing another clickbait does not confirm the first. In fact they are quoting motoring.au which is sort of the Grand Master of the clickbaits. They make shit up and the others run with it. There are probably 100 sites running with fictional info from motoring now but not one single official word from Toyota other then they are working on a concept.

Well I'm not sure on the specs but I meant Toyota has announced this car at a recent show. As a 'concept', but I'm hoping it comes out.

KR-S 11-13-2015 10:44 PM

Interesting to see indeed, but if they release this at all, I doubt it will be an entry-level sports car, since the 86 is already fulfilling that role.

maybebrz 11-13-2015 11:12 PM

Well they're aiming for a very low price point in Japan, like $13k

http://www.sfrforums.com/forums/show...ficial-Preview!

Tcoat 11-13-2015 11:45 PM

For anybody that still believes the clickbait sites have real info the attached really creates questions about if Subaru even actually filed a patent.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...1747.html#main


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