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Reaper 11-14-2014 06:59 PM

True, didn't think of that. Though they are changing rapidly.

Levi 11-14-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 2022766)
they did


They didn't. It is a roadster, not a coupé. Until the MX-5 doesn't have a Coupé variant - not heavy hard-top Roadster - it'll never be considered as a sports car (at least by me).

Sideways&Smiling 11-14-2014 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2022901)
They didn't. It is a roadster, not a coupé. Until the MX-5 doesn't have a Coupé variant - not heavy hard-top Roadster - it'll never be considered as a sports car (at least by me).

That's pretty ignorant considering it's modeled after the Lotus Elan, which is pretty much the very definition of a classic sports car.

Miatas may be slow, but they're definitely sports cars.

Reaper 11-14-2014 07:40 PM

Considering how many are winning in autox and how popular the miata spec class was I'd say it's a sports car.

rice_classic 11-14-2014 10:43 PM

Whoa.. I thought I had seen it all but someone says the Miata isn't a sports car? Uh.. it's kind of the sports car. The answer to 9 out of 10 questions is Miata isn't it?

Rhetorical because the answer to that question is: Miata.

rice_classic 11-14-2014 11:17 PM

http://vtec.carthrottle.com/image/1/...6488527a15.jpg

Ultramaroon 11-14-2014 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 2023208)

LOL You have all the good RX poop!

Tcoat 11-15-2014 12:58 AM

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PhoKingCool 11-15-2014 01:05 AM

Such a disappointment

ohnoitsthefuzz 11-15-2014 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2022901)
They didn't. It is a roadster, not a coupé. Until the MX-5 doesn't have a Coupé variant - not heavy hard-top Roadster - it'll never be considered as a sports car (at least by me).

The best selling two seat, convertible sports car in history? Not a sports car? There are a lot of Miata owners that are going to be very disappointed about their purchases when they read that post. :lol:

Levi 11-15-2014 08:20 AM

If the MX-5 is a sports car, then it is not the one I want, because I don't want open top. Closed top FFS. If it is the best selling sports car, what keeps them of building one with closed top FFS? They don't want to sell even more?


MX-5 Coupé, hard-top, not opening, closed, like GT86, not like S2000, like Cayman, not like SLK, DOES NOT OPEN AT ALL, too difficult to understand? Maybe the is no Japanese word for MX-5 Coupé?


LIKE THIS:

http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2...5_Coupe_NB.jpg

You no understand or trolling?

fatoni 11-15-2014 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2023424)
If the MX-5 is a sports car, then it is not the one I want, because I don't want open top. Closed top FFS. If it is the best selling sports car, what keeps them of building one with closed top FFS? They don't want to sell even more?


MX-5 Coupé, hard-top, not opening, closed, like GT86, not like S2000, like Cayman, not like SLK, DOES NOT OPEN AT ALL, too difficult to understand? Maybe the is no Japanese word for MX-5 Coupé?


LIKE THIS:

http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2...5_Coupe_NB.jpg

You no understand or trolling?

You don't like convertibles. We get that. It doesn't mean that the miata is not a sports car. Do you understand that? A case could be made that it's the most quintessential sports car in production today and it would be a hard point to argue with.

quality_sound 11-15-2014 10:42 AM

How hard would it be to get the hard too convertible and leave the top up all the time? Or buy the soft top and put the optional hard top on and leave it on?


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funwheeldrive 11-15-2014 12:48 PM

Even if they were planning a new rx8 I doubt they would announce it right before the miata is set to go on sale. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

sato 11-15-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2023524)
Even if they were planning a new rx8 I doubt they would announce it right before the miata is set to go on sale. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Wise indeed. However, I'm still horny for that 16x rotary engine development. I keep searching for it every few months, like stalking a future gf prospect... ("she will be mine, oh yes, she will be mine")

EAGLE5 11-15-2014 01:57 PM

Crappy engine = no car.

Rampage 11-15-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2023524)
Even if they were planning a new rx8 I doubt they would announce it right before the miata is set to go on sale. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

I don't think that the people that buy RX8s (or RX7) are the same people that buy Miatas. I do not see the possibility of a future RX taking away from MX-5 sales at all.

Dadhawk 11-16-2014 08:43 PM

Well if you are bemoaning the death of the rotary engine, you can always follow Freedom Motors, a subsidiary of my favorite aviation huckster Moller International and their flying car that was going to fly 'any day now' since the late '80s. (Moller invented the SuperTrapp muffler and is a bit of a savant at making money to fund his dream).

They have a "65lb rotary engine producing 204HP"

http://www.moller.com/images/Mario-w-Engine.jpg

serialk11r 11-16-2014 08:52 PM

Except, the 650cc model makes only 70some horsepower at 7000rpm. That's only barely more than half of what a 4 stroke produces, eating away half of the power/weight advantage they claim.

It also makes me wonder how good the efficiency can possibly be if the motor produces so little power per unit airflow.

funwheeldrive 11-17-2014 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 2023857)
I don't think that the people that buy RX8s (or RX7) are the same people that buy Miatas. I do not see the possibility of a future RX taking away from MX-5 sales at all.

Weren't the rumors stating that the rx-8 would be based on the Miata chassis? Wouldn't that basically make it a rotary, Miata coupe? I could imagine people trading in their Miata for something like that.

Noble713 11-17-2014 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2024575)
Well if you are bemoaning the death of the rotary engine, you can always follow Freedom Motors, a subsidiary of my favorite aviation huckster Moller International and their flying car that was going to fly 'any day now' since the late '80s. (Moller invented the SuperTrapp muffler and is a bit of a savant at making money to fund his dream).

They have a "65lb rotary engine producing 204HP"

http://www.moller.com/images/Mario-w-Engine.jpg


Ya know, I think rotaries could see use in one new application: serial-hybrid power sources for large exoskeletons (think the yellow Power Loader from Aliens, or the Landmate suits from Appleseed if you're an anime fan). I also think this is a good application for small gas turbines. Both types of engines are small and optimally run at a constant high RPM. Just use them as generators to keep the batteries/capacitors charged and run the whole suit off of electricity.

serialk11r 11-17-2014 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Noble713 (Post 2024835)
Ya know, I think rotaries could see use in one new application: serial-hybrid power sources for large exoskeletons (think the yellow Power Loader from Aliens, or the Landmate suits from Appleseed if you're an anime fan). I also think this is a good application for small gas turbines. Both types of engines are small and optimally run at a constant high RPM. Just use them as generators to keep the batteries/capacitors charged and run the whole suit off of electricity.

Not sure if you're serious when you refer to anime and stuff lol, but yes they have high power density but it's not enough to provide the kind of power density found in fiction.

The efficiency may be a problem, as with small gas turbines. A turbocharged, turbocompounded mini-rotary engine could do well though as an ultra light generator, assuming the apex seals don't blow.

Teseo 11-17-2014 07:46 AM

Apex seals blow cuz stupid people boost up the engine without proper tune
I like to think mazda will not produce the an rx car because the high standards of emissions
dont forget they won LeMans in 1991

Dadhawk 11-17-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Noble713 (Post 2024835)
Ya know, I think rotaries could see use in one new application: serial-hybrid power sources for large exoskeletons (think the yellow Power Loader from Aliens, or the Landmate suits from Appleseed if you're an anime fan). I also think this is a good application for small gas turbines. Both types of engines are small and optimally run at a constant high RPM. Just use them as generators to keep the batteries/capacitors charged and run the whole suit off of electricity.

Hybrid power is one of the uses they Freedom Motors is touting amongst others:

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Originally Posted by Freedom Motors
Demonstrated Applications - To date we have installed the Rotapower engine in a number of demonstrator vehicles, including a Sea Rader jet boat, a Honda Odyssey ATV, and Honda Civic hybrid automobile. Our most recent demonstrator is a Yamaha Waverunner XL in which we have installed a 3-rotor, 150+ HP, 1590cc Rotapower™ engine. In addition we have coupled the engine with a high-performance generator to make a man-portable 10 KW motor-generator set and integrated our 4-stroke 2.5 hp rotary engine into a weed whacker.

In typical Moller style there is a huge lack of detail on how the tests went, and whether they were successful or not, so take it all with a (very large) grain of salt.

EAGLE5 11-17-2014 12:30 PM

Moller and Freedom Motors are such a scam site. Hilarious. RX-8 apex seals often break at low miles. Mazda knows how to make great 4-cylinder engines. Why would they pour good money after bad on the rotary?

themadscientist 11-29-2014 03:55 AM

In related news, the Australians have announced they will continue to put rotaries in, well, anything apparently.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHyb762u4Q[/ame]

Hen3ry 09-30-2015 01:39 AM

Return of the RX-7???
 
I know there's been rumors every year but this might actually be happening, just in time for the 50th anniv. of the rotary.

http://www.mazda-press.com/eu/news/m...aled-in-tokyo/

http://www.mazda-press.com/assets/ne....jpg?width=696

Decay107 09-30-2015 02:04 AM

I doubt a rotary engine could be made to meet current emissions regs. But if real, I'd be all over a new rotary
I however, am hoping for a hardtop Miata.

Entroper 09-30-2015 02:15 AM

This is the first real evidence that they could be working on something that may someday lead to a sports coupe alongside the Miata. Not getting my hopes up, but this is more real than anything I've heard in the last 7 years.

Hen3ry 09-30-2015 02:57 AM

Yeah, i'm trying not to get my hopes up too much either. But still, as you said, it's the first tangible evidence of some truth to all those rumors.
I'd love to see the rotary return, especially a bigger 1.6L.
28 days and counting.
Even if the concept car isn't a rotary, I'm still excited to see mazda release a true coupe.

Entroper 09-30-2015 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hen3ry (Post 2405848)
Yeah, i'm trying not to get my hopes up too much either. But still, as you said, it's the first tangible evidence of some truth to all those rumors.
I'd love to see the rotary return, especially a bigger 1.6L.
28 days and counting.
Even if the concept car isn't a rotary, I'm still excited to see mazda release a true coupe.

A 2-seater, slightly longer wheelbase (split the difference between ND and 86), 1.6 L with ~300 hp and ~200 ft-lbs would be so, so nice.

DAEMANO 09-30-2015 04:19 AM

The press release says "In another world premiere, Mazda will unveil a new sports car concept at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show..."

Most recently panties were all awad for the Nissan RDX and Kia Stinger, neither are happening. There isn't going to be a rotary unless some wonderful magic happens to clean them up. How would you all feel about an RX-7 without a rotary. That's more likely.

DarkSunrise 09-30-2015 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2405907)
The press release says "In another world premiere, Mazda will unveil a new sports car concept at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show..."

Most recently panties were all awad for the Nissan RDX and Kia Stinger, neither are happening. There isn't going to be a rotary unless some wonderful magic happens to clean them up. How would you all feel about an RX-7 without a rotary. That's more likely.

I wouldn't mind an RX-7 without a rotary to be honest. But assuming Mazda will base it off the ND chassis, what else will fit in that engine bay? Probably a turbo inline 4?

Rampage 09-30-2015 09:05 AM

Watching with great interest!

raven1231 09-30-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2405907)
The press release says "In another world premiere, Mazda will unveil a new sports car concept at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show..."

Most recently panties were all awad for the Nissan RDX and Kia Stinger, neither are happening. There isn't going to be a rotary unless some wonderful magic happens to clean them up. How would you all feel about an RX-7 without a rotary. That's more likely.

According to all the news "sources" the kia stinger will be here by the end of 2017.

Tcoat 09-30-2015 09:16 AM

They are very clear that they are presenting a concept vehicle but...
'Speculation Alert' They also felt it was important that they state "the fabled 1967 Mazda Cosmo Sport 110S – the company’s first rotary powered mass-production model – joins a display of Mazda’s convention-defying engineering legacy". Knowing automotive marketing and the popularity of the whole 'this is where we went from that' thing it could be a telling point.
Hats off to Mazda for at least putting out a formal press release and not leaving all the news up to the click baits and blogs like some companies we know (although it will be fun to see what "facts" the click baits add to this release).

NWFRS 09-30-2015 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2405825)
I doubt a rotary engine could be made to meet current emissions regs.

Unless they add VW software. :)

Chad11491 09-30-2015 09:57 AM

I would be totally fine with an MX-7. This is the best car news i've heard in a long time. I would hope this would be the same size as an 86 at least. I can not fit in an MX-5 and I will not buy a car smaller than an 86 (interior room wise).

Mazda was recently talking about mazdaspeed 3's and coupes of the mazda 3. I think it would be smart to have their 2.5 in there as a turbo, and RWD. They already have a "slow" convertible sports car in the 25-30k range. It would make sense to me for this to be ~300hp, a little larger than a miata or 86, and a rwd coupe in the 30-40k range, hopefully ~32ish comfortably equipped. It doesn't make sense to me for them to make a car too similar to the miata, which is similar to an 86 in buyer market. To me this would make sense to be a more powerful sports car like the 370z or cayman or something similar. I just wonder how Mazda being the size they are can afford to produce two sports cars without straining themselves.

Twin4Life 09-30-2015 10:21 AM

Yea that RX-HATE was awesome despite the complete lack of TQ, HP, fuel consumption, fuel flooding, cold shutdown and shotty internals. LOL. However, options and competition are a good thing.

Tcoat 09-30-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad11491 (Post 2406005)
I would be totally fine with an MX-7. This is the best car news i've heard in a long time. I would hope this would be the same size as an 86 at least. I can not fit in an MX-5 and I will not buy a car smaller than an 86 (interior room wise).

Mazda was recently talking about mazdaspeed 3's and coupes of the mazda 3. I think it would be smart to have their 2.5 in there as a turbo, and RWD. They already have a "slow" convertible sports car in the 25-30k range. It would make sense to me for this to be ~300hp, a little larger than a miata or 86, and a rwd coupe in the 30-40k range, hopefully ~32ish comfortably equipped. It doesn't make sense to me for them to make a car too similar to the miata, which is similar to an 86 in buyer market. To me this would make sense to be a more powerful sports car like the 370z or cayman or something similar. I just wonder how Mazda being the size they are can afford to produce two sports cars without straining themselves.

Don't know if they would try to go against the 370 or Cayman in such a restricted market. More likely head out against the Civics, Focus, Etc hot hatch types. That could mean a FWD only and leave the RWD to the Miata. That being said I would still keep my eye on a coupe version of the 3.


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