emissions= no rotary engine

Mazda RX-7: second place only to the NSX for enthusiast cock-tease of the decade.

Why is the NSX a cock tease? Isn't that still being released next year?

Yeah I'm pretty sure people have been saying that 'it's coming out next year!' since before it was discontinued, and just like people around here there were 'rumors' of a second generation with 'moh powah' since before there was a forum dedicated to the NSX.

2002:
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f31/...re-info-23883/
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=55834
2003:
http://honda-tech.com/acura-nsx-43/w...ave-v8-554828/
http://honda-tech.com/acura-nsx-43/w...ew-nsx-614696/
2005:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=431416
2006:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=484464
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=585155
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=522493
2009:
http://acurazine.com/forums/acura-ns...d-down-740019/

No way number one, can only be the Supra!

oh, I keep forgetting people actually like those

I figured rumors of Mazda producing a next-gen RX-7 were probably too good to be true.

Sports cars aren't volume sellers and Mazda just sunk a lot of money into the Miata update. As small a company as it is, Mazda probably doesn't have much left in the tank to risk investing in updating the RX-7. Not to mention rotary engines with all their limitations don't make much sense in the current automotive climate.

Still, it was fun dreaming about it. Probably would have been the logical successor to my FR-S (lightweight, minimalist sports coupe).

Sorry guys, I'd rather have a Miata coupe than a new RX anyways. I'm curious about the 6 coupe too, though a coupe designed off a FWD sedan will usually be FWD itself, so I'm not as gung-ho about it as I am a coupe Miata.

To say the truth I don't care about RX-7. MX-5 Coupé or MX-6 Coupé is all that is needed.

I doesn't surprise me they said "no" to another Rotary because Mazda's been saying/doing lots of smart things lately and saying no to Rotary is definitely a smart thing.

More like functional car = no rotary engine

You mean reliable /serviceable car= no rotary engine.

Flimsy car= Mazda

Hmmm, that has not been my experience. I have owned five Mazdas. I bought a 626 and a MX-6 new. I had two used MPVs(4wd vans) and a Protege used. The only problem I had with any of them was when one of the MPVs lost its tranny and Mazda replaced it free of charge even though I bought it used and it had 70K miles on it. After that, it was bulletproof as were all the others.

Maybe tinny is a better description. Compare a mid size Toyota for example to a mid sized Mazda.

Pistons > Doritos on a stick

Ha yeah I can say that I've never once cared or even thought about the next Supra, if one does come out. I didn't even like the last ones that much. yeah yeah 800hp.. 1000hp.. whatever. To me, Toyota stopped making sports cars after 95. The 86 only fixed that by maybe a quarter....

I really hate agreeing with you here.

But from a business perspective, you are 100% spot on.

There's 3 Toyota's built in my lifetime I would actually pay money for:
Pickup, MR2, FR-S

Edit: Love the MK2 Supra though.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr....KaJlOws%3D#_=_

They didn't say it will never happen. This is just reiterating what they've been saying for a while


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LOL never met a person that didn't like the Supra!

Well there's three in this thread alone, the world is a big place!

:cheers:

You can make that four. I owned two. The Supra mythology is much greater than the Supra reality.

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Never was a fan!

I appreciate them, I like seeing them on the road.

Would I buy one? Nope.

Can you elaborate on what the "Supra mythology" is?

My impression of the Supra is it's one of the best Grand Tourers: a big coupe with a smooth engine that reliably and cheaply makes boatloads of horsepower, perfect for long, fast highway journeys. Also pretty dominating as a drag car until the AWD monsters (the R35 GT-R and TT'ed Lambos) took over.

Oh and on-topic: can't say I'm surprised. I'm waiting for Mazda's website to have a link to norotors.com :D

Girlfriend has pretty much made up her mind on a 2015 Mazda 3 i-Grand-Touring Sedan in that beautiful red.

I'm pushing two things though.. 1: Appearance package with wheels and 2: 6 Spd Manual transmission.

I'm convinced that if I can teach her out to double clutch or heal-toe I will forever change her life. :)

Ah well, my idea was to rebuild another 2nd gen 13B anyway. Still disappointing to me, since I absolutely love the drive and sound of RX series, but they just cannot meet MPG or emissions this day and age. That bridgeported rotary sound with a RacingBeat header and Holley carb though? Priceless (to me, i know opinions vary). I'm going to have to rock my no-pistons car sticker and shirt again eventually.

I really wish they would build a lightweight fixed-roof sports car on the Miata platform with a novel and compact piston engine that would allow for a very low hood and cowl with centralized mass and better (more rearward) than 50/50 weight distribution. Something like a 2.5 V4 spinning to >8000rpm making 270ish hp NA should be nearly as compact as the rotary, while giving much better fuel economy. That's what *I'd* do if I were Mazda...

Sounds like a smaller Corvette with half the engine lol.

At 2/3 the price.

At first I thought it was impossible, then I found out about Honda's VFR1200... a 1.2L V4 that claims 172 at the crank:

http://driving.ca/honda/vfr1200/revi...onda-vfr1200-2

I have a hunch the specific output will drop once tuned to meet emissions but they should be able to hit your benchmark rather easily if they don't constrain the displacement and are willing to demand the owner take care of the car.

But they haven't done a full up sporting chassis in well over a decade.

Honda/Mazda collaboration to produce a VX-4 would be ridiculous and great regardless of outcome.

Why they cant produce a sport car and put a damn skyactive engine on it?
I tought mazda will continue the legacy, they gave hope when
the mazda furai was a concept

they did

Well a motorcycle makes a ton of power because they can have high rev limits, cats that might as well not be there, and mufflers that don't do much either.

I believe the key to high power these days (other than having a good engine itself) is being able to chuck the precats and use retarded ignition to heat the cat. Having proper performance headers does a lot for extracting that last 10%. Mazda seems to have figured out how to do this successfully with the Skyactiv engines with 2014 emissions standards, so we can only hope that they decide to capitalize on this with a high revver.

Subaru can get 200hp from 2L with a compromised header so 270hp is not out of the question at all. Actually, Porsche can get over 430hp out of their 3.8L, 115hp/L!

You seem to be confusing my post about a hypothetical V4 sports car with reality.

Hm? I meant to point out that the Skyactiv engines have long headers.

Ducati can get 205 hp from 1.2L with a warranty and pass emissions. Vw (who owns ducati)wants to put the engine in a car.
The 1.4l hayabusa engine from the early 2000s has routinely been pushed past 450whp with a small turbo. Also put into small cars. Rotary is dead sadly.

Motorcycle emissions regulations and passanger vehicle emission regulations are different.

Because there are 20x more passanger vehicles on the road than motorcycles. Thus, motorcycles have less restrictions on emissions.

Put one of those engines in a passenger vehicle, and suddenly it won't pass regulations.