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raven1231 09-30-2015 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2405907)
The press release says "In another world premiere, Mazda will unveil a new sports car concept at the upcoming Tokyo Motor Show..."

Most recently panties were all awad for the Nissan RDX and Kia Stinger, neither are happening. There isn't going to be a rotary unless some wonderful magic happens to clean them up. How would you all feel about an RX-7 without a rotary. That's more likely.
According to all the news "sources" the kia stinger will be here by the end of 2017.

Tcoat 09-30-2015 09:16 AM
They are very clear that they are presenting a concept vehicle but...
'Speculation Alert' They also felt it was important that they state "the fabled 1967 Mazda Cosmo Sport 110S – the company’s first rotary powered mass-production model – joins a display of Mazda’s convention-defying engineering legacy". Knowing automotive marketing and the popularity of the whole 'this is where we went from that' thing it could be a telling point.
Hats off to Mazda for at least putting out a formal press release and not leaving all the news up to the click baits and blogs like some companies we know (although it will be fun to see what "facts" the click baits add to this release).

NWFRS 09-30-2015 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2405825)
I doubt a rotary engine could be made to meet current emissions regs.
Unless they add VW software. :)

Chad11491 09-30-2015 09:57 AM
I would be totally fine with an MX-7. This is the best car news i've heard in a long time. I would hope this would be the same size as an 86 at least. I can not fit in an MX-5 and I will not buy a car smaller than an 86 (interior room wise).

Mazda was recently talking about mazdaspeed 3's and coupes of the mazda 3. I think it would be smart to have their 2.5 in there as a turbo, and RWD. They already have a "slow" convertible sports car in the 25-30k range. It would make sense to me for this to be ~300hp, a little larger than a miata or 86, and a rwd coupe in the 30-40k range, hopefully ~32ish comfortably equipped. It doesn't make sense to me for them to make a car too similar to the miata, which is similar to an 86 in buyer market. To me this would make sense to be a more powerful sports car like the 370z or cayman or something similar. I just wonder how Mazda being the size they are can afford to produce two sports cars without straining themselves.

Twin4Life 09-30-2015 10:21 AM
Yea that RX-HATE was awesome despite the complete lack of TQ, HP, fuel consumption, fuel flooding, cold shutdown and shotty internals. LOL. However, options and competition are a good thing.

Tcoat 09-30-2015 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Chad11491 (Post 2406005)
I would be totally fine with an MX-7. This is the best car news i've heard in a long time. I would hope this would be the same size as an 86 at least. I can not fit in an MX-5 and I will not buy a car smaller than an 86 (interior room wise).

Mazda was recently talking about mazdaspeed 3's and coupes of the mazda 3. I think it would be smart to have their 2.5 in there as a turbo, and RWD. They already have a "slow" convertible sports car in the 25-30k range. It would make sense to me for this to be ~300hp, a little larger than a miata or 86, and a rwd coupe in the 30-40k range, hopefully ~32ish comfortably equipped. It doesn't make sense to me for them to make a car too similar to the miata, which is similar to an 86 in buyer market. To me this would make sense to be a more powerful sports car like the 370z or cayman or something similar. I just wonder how Mazda being the size they are can afford to produce two sports cars without straining themselves.
Don't know if they would try to go against the 370 or Cayman in such a restricted market. More likely head out against the Civics, Focus, Etc hot hatch types. That could mean a FWD only and leave the RWD to the Miata. That being said I would still keep my eye on a coupe version of the 3.

HunterGreene 09-30-2015 10:42 AM
I'm interested--but I think what will be really telling is how "production ready" this concept looks. The wilder the concept look, the further it is from being a reality.

Chad11491 09-30-2015 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2406030)
Don't know if they would try to go against the 370 or Cayman in such a restricted market. More likely head out against the Civics, Focus, Etc hot hatch types. That could mean a FWD only and leave the RWD to the Miata. That being said I would still keep my eye on a coupe version of the 3.
That could be a possibility too. There's a couple ways they could go that'd make sense. They've usually had a higher performance RWD car along with the miata previously though. This could be a FWD or AWD speed 3 or something similar. That would also make sense.

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Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 2406033)
I'm interested--but I think what will be really telling is how "production ready" this concept looks. The wilder the concept look, the further it is from being a reality.
well mazda concepts are usually pretty close to production. It should give a pretty good idea as to what it'd look like.

Dadhawk 09-30-2015 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Decay107 (Post 2405825)
I doubt a rotary engine could be made to meet current emissions regs. But if real, I'd be all over a new rotary
I however, am hoping for a hardtop Miata.
Actually, it supposedly can be done.

Freedom Motors (owned by Paul Moller the inventor of the Super Trapp muffler and the "genius" behind one of the longest running scams in Aviation vaporware, the SkyCar) has one they claim meets California's ULEV standards. Of course, in true Moller style they haven't produced the engine in any volume close to production but they will be "any day" now.

Oh yea, and it supposedly runs on any fuel you put it in it (gas, NG, Propane, diesel, kerosene, jet fuel...)

http://www.freedom-motors.com/index....d=77&Itemid=59


OK, never mind.....


In the end, I'd love to see the RX-7 come back! I like the silhouette.

Tcoat 09-30-2015 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2406112)
Actually, it supposedly can be done.

Freedom Motors (owned by Paul Moller the inventor of the Super Trapp muffler and the "genius" behind one of the longest running scams in Aviation vaporware, the SkyCar) has one they claim meets California's ULEV standards. Of course, in true Moller style they haven't produced the engine in any volume close to production but they will be "any day" now.

Oh yea, and it supposedly runs on any fuel you put it in it (gas, NG, Propane, diesel, kerosene, jet fuel...)

http://www.freedom-motors.com/index....d=77&Itemid=59


OK, never mind.....


In the end, I'd love to see the RX-7 come back! I like the silhouette.
Oh ya, nothing like an aircraft engine that you can pour whatever fuel you want into. That could be fun. I know exactly how reliable our "multifuel" army truck were and there is not a hope in hell I would want to be in the sky in one.

Special_K 09-30-2015 12:39 PM
I'm forcibly suppressing my enthusiasm until the concept is shown they consider production of a new RX...

After Nissan axed the IDX, I'm not sure my heart can handle another letdown.

gouldilocks 09-30-2015 01:05 PM
I really like the styling of the new Miata, if only if it was longer and had more power/lsd/lower/center of gravity/hardtop/speed version. Nobody would buy it but I would pick one up used in 2020

Nevermore 09-30-2015 01:53 PM
Excitement, building! I've been waiting for a new sports car from Mazda for a while now. The new Miata is probably the best looking one yet, for me anyways, but I'd still prefer it as a hardtop. I'm not a rotary hater but I've never liked what I hear about reliability from them. The FR-S has given me a taste of sports car and I never want to go back, but I also long for a new Mazda. I am a fanboi. I didn't know if they'd ever do it but I hoped.


If this is real and has the right engine, bye-bye FR-S.

NemesisPrime909 09-30-2015 02:02 PM
--Super Speculation MODE ACTIVATED--

Just looking at that shape, it screams "FD3S RX-7" But Mazda has done these types of concepts before.

so Here's what I think.

3 possible Options

RX-7 Return, powered by the new 16x rotary that supposedly fixed the issues of past rotary engines. That will become Mazda's Halo car.

RX-9 Basically the RX-8 successor and made to directly compete with the 86/BRZ. Many of you will argue the the MX-5 is the competitor, but it really isn't (at least not directly). The MX-5 has no rear seats or hard top. This will often deter many potential buyers.

Cosmo Concept-Mazda just makes a retro concept to highlight the Cosmo's design and they have the potential to do but ultimately won't.


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