Delicious Tuning: Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger with Flex Fuel – Official Dyno Data
 

Delicious Tuning is excited to release a specific Edelbrock tune based off our widely used Flash & Go Tune. It would seem those pesky engineers over at Edelbrock, have chosen to build a kit that is more efficient than we had originally expected, because of this our standard Flash & Go tune that works rather well on many other kits, was leaving a bit on the table with the E-Force Supercharger.

Here is some data from today’s tuning session and our short review of the Edelbrock Kit. First off, the kit itself looks great in the engine bay, fitment and finish are outstanding. Second, the CARB tune that comes with the kit is a great tune right out of the box. We ran three back to back pulls and the variance in power was about 4whp at redline. The design of the kit lends to making a powerful, reliable and consistent package, while still maintaining a linear powerband similar to other twin screw supercharger kits.

Dyno Pull on Flex Fuel with E85

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Now for the dyno data:

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...?itok=qPrOSH9g

Dyno Chart #1
Edelbrock’s CARB Tune vs Delicious Tuning’s Edelbrock Flash & Go Tune
- Baseline Edelbrock E-Force CARB Tune on ACN 91 octane (263hp and 205tq)
- Final Delicious Tuning Edelbrock Flash & Go Tune on CAN 91 octane (265hp and 212tq)
- Torque: We were able to increase the low end torque by about 20 ft/lbs around 2500 RPM and maintain an increase to about 4000 RPM.
- Horsepower: Near the top end around 5500 RPM we were able to open up the power gap by 10hp to about redline where the Edelbrock tune meets back up with our tune.

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...?itok=s83Jvhvk

Dyno Chart #2
- Final Delicious Tuning Edelbrock Flash & Go Tune with Flex Fuel on CAN 91 octane (265hp and 212tq)
- Final Delicious Tuning Edelbrock Flash & Go Tune with Flex Fuel on E85 (323hp and 245 tq)
- Torque: Obviously with ethanol you can make some massive improvements in torque across the board. We do have the torque ramp up as the RPM increase to make sure we do not snap any rods, but you will still feel an obvious increase as low as 2500 RPM.
- Horsepower: This is what you are all waiting for; this kit pulls really hard to redline with an extremely wide and linear powerband.

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

Wow.

Sweet baby jeebus!

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Yep, this kit is going on the second BRZ. Awesome results! :thumbsup:

Full details on the exhaust setup please?

Is the E85 tune on the stock kit's pulley? If it is, how much more is the kit capable of (given an adequate block)?

What other mods were done to have the flex fuel? I'm guessing at least larger injectors?

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How does it stack up against the innovate kit? And as FatLip was asking, were the stock injector able to support fuel demands of the E85 tune?

This looks very nice!

This kit was on the stock pulley for both 91 and E85 tunes, where it makes about 11psi. According to Edelbrock, the kit is good up to about 20psi and there will be about three more pulley sizes released soon. Assuming a block built with stronger rods, same compression pistons, etc, I can see this kit making well over 400whp at 20psi. Of course, it's hard to tell how it'll handle more airflow until someone actually decides to do it. :)

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

This car was equipped with DW 700cc injectors and a DW65c pump. Unlike the Innovate kit, this kit will require upgraded injectors and pump right off the bat to run E85.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

The car has X-Force Exhaust's full system (Catless Header, Catless Front Pipe and Cat-Back) and an OE Overpipe.

EDIT: here are the part numbers for what I have on my car: ES-T86-02-NC (front pipe & exhaust) & HS-T86 (header)

Yes, the supercharger itself is running the kit supplied pulley. How much more is it capable of at this boost level? Or with a smaller Pulley?

As per Bill's great advice it's running DW 700 cc Injectors and a DW fuel pump (currently a 65C but I'll be swapping it for the 300 soon) in addition to the Delicious Tuning Flex Fuel Kit (which by the way is an easy plug and play with the Edelbrock Supercharger).

This kit, on 91 with the standard, makes about 5-10whp more than the Innovate kit does with the smallest available pulley. On E85, it jumps to about a 15-20whp difference. The Edelbrock curve also holds much better up top.

It also heat soaks much less, and will therefor be a much more consistent and reliable kit for track usage.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Thanks Zach. So, since you guys mentioned that you had to modify your FnG tune specifically for the E-force, will it be its own tune (like your package for the Innovate/Sprintex) or will it just be still the FnG? Any release date set yet or is it still under development since the kit is just starting to ship?

This tune is technically a Flash & Go, but with a few crucial differences that make it specially suited to perform at its best with this kit. A basic Flash & Go would make a bit less power on bottom and top than this would.

This tune is available now, and will be exactly what is sent out whenever someone orders a Flash & Go for an Edelbrock kit through our site. :)

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Very excited to see how this kit turns out!

I'm sorry, I should of worded my question better. Given a built block, what do you think this kit's hp ceiling is at its smallest allowable pulley (blower's max rpm)?

It's really difficult to say without knowing the airflow capabilities of the blower unit itself. If it gets choked up around 20psi, you won't see much. If it's still free flowing at that level of boost, you'll see quite a bit more. This is something that will require a bit more testing when the pulleys are released to know for sure. :)

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Those are CRANK numbers (according to the graphs) correct?

No WHP numbers?

Not really, this is "Comparison Mode" which equates to DynoJet numbers which are not really crank nor wheel horsepower. We have had a LOT of requests for DynoJet numbers so that is why it is posted.

If you would prefer to see true wheel horsepower numbers we can post those up also. We have charts for many forced induction kits and stock vehicles in both raw wheel numbers and "DynoJet" numbers (the preferred number).

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

We have kits ready to go when yuo're ready :)

Brave man, fully catless setup in California. Hope you're otherwise keeping a low profile - we've already seen on the board here what problems you can run into if you aren't.

That said, very nice numbers for a roots blower.

I don't know about being bootsted, but NA while keeping AFR's nice you dont really smell the exhaust besides during cold starts. E85 OTOH... always smell like something is being burnt (obviously fuel, duh) after some pulls to redline.

How's this compared to the JRSC?

I tend to keep a somewhat low profile most of the time, and it doesn't hurt that I live less than two miles from work so I'm usually riding my bike.

I think we Californians tend to make things sound worse then they are too. But I'm holding onto the stock exhaust just incase.

@JohnnyP did you pass by Goldenwest College in Westminster/Huntington Beach maybe an hour ago? I was filling up jugs of E85 at the Propel across the street and I heard a pretty loud car on the streets, looked up and saw a white car with a similar looking trunk scheme.

Must've been someone else. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to make it out to Huntington in a while. I was busy cleaning my front bumper from the 911 turbo that blew a coolant like in front of me on the freeway. :eek:

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I meant the volume more than the smell.

I spent 28 of 35 years as a Californian including modding cars so just because I now live someplace that has no emissions testing doesn't mean I don't know what it's like to live under their oft draconian rules ;)

Thanks again Zach. Another potentially dumb question: If you do upgrade the injectors to a larger size and install flexfuel, come time for smog inspection, would I have to uninstall/revert back to stock in order to flash back to CARB tune? Basically, will the CARB tune be able to recognize that the flex fuel and injectors are there and behave accordingly?

No, the injector scaling would be all off and the FlexFuel would probably throw a CEL.

Injector scaling will be way off, and flex fuel would mess things up a bit as well, most likely popping a rear o2 cel. You would need to take out injectors, plug back in rear o2 sensor to factory location, and then flash the CARB tune. Alternatively, if they're not doing a visual inspection, just run it and it'll most likely pass the sniffer.

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

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Thought some of you might be interested in our latest development on the Edelbrock eForce supercharger. We have started some pulley test and tunes and so far the 3.00in (15 PSI) pulley works great on 91 octane. Though you will be at the limit on stock injectors. More to come...

Cheers,
William Knose
Delicious Tuning

My body is ready

The design of this blower setup is really slick. Very impressed with what Edelbrock did here. I've owned Terminator Mustangs in the past, with the air to water intercooler setup below the blower. This flips that upside down. The "Instant On" boost of a roots blower is memorable.

Is there any data about pre and post intercooler inlet air temps? The question is, how reliable might this setup be on a high compression BRZ motor in the summer in Florida at Sebring?

Post blower temps are ranging around 120F degrees at WOT, after a 4th gear dyno pull in about 80F degree Southern California weather. No reason the 15 PSI pulley was still making power. ;)

I'm curious if you guys have done any comparisons between the Edelbrock and the Cosworth. I'd like to know how they stack up.

We have some exciting news for everyone regarding the Edelbrock kits! Last week we were able to get our tune for this kit dialed in even further, as well as test Edelbrock's upcoming 3"/15psi pulley! I'll let the dyno charts speak for themselves here.

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...?itok=g9vuP-kq

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...?itok=NDQwKC2p

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...?itok=eCMaDBV5

All of these tests were done on 91 octane. With the 3" pulley, you will need larger injectors to support the flow! On 93 octane, you should be able to extract a bit more power out of the system, but not quite 300whp. We are eagerly looking forward to getting more time with the car and extract even more power with E85. Stay tuned!

Sincerely,

Zach
Delicious Tuning

Anybody need a kidney? Left nut?

Any chance you've done any testing with this combined with the ace 4-2-1 header?