Crazy frs driver
 

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1oLmUSOqKg"]Toyota FRS near collision with Hummer - YouTube[/ame]

this is why my insurance went up.....

LOL I just posted the link to this in someones thread about insurance! haha!!
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96421

And of course, it was the Hummer's fault right?!!!!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/bb/bb4a...2afcfa31ef.jpg


Twin owner needs to be sent back to DMV. LOL

I don't see the problem. with all 200 horses under the hood, it easy to get this car sideways and not even realize it.

Actually, there's a question there. Was a u-turn legal at that intersection? If so, the Hummer driver would be at fault because the Hummer ran a stop sign.

If you have a stop sign and the crossing street does not, the stop sign means you have to wait until traffic is clear before proceeding. If a u-turn was legal at that intersection, that means the FR-S had the right of way. The Hummer failed to yield the right of way to the FR-S and would have been at fault if they had made contact.

Seems counter-intuitive, but it's true. The stop sign is the key. I don't see any signage that would prohibit a u-turn, and u-turns are legal in Florida. So it looks like it was, in fact, the Hummer's fault.

Here's a news story from Florida that explains it:

Good Question: Who has the right of way in a u-turn?

Pretty sure reckless driving, a misdemeanor, trumps any right of way rules in terms of at fault, just like a DUI.

The hummer was stopped at the beginning of the clip though, and I doubt you can predict someone making a u-turn in that manner, so you'd probably just expect a left turn when they didn't slow down to sane u-turn speeds.

He just locked the wheel left and dumped the clutch, I think he was blinded by adrenaline and thought he was the only one on the road...lol or he's just stupid. In this case probably both.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96377

The hummer may have stopped at the stop sign and not expected the FRS would u-turn there the way he did. Also, the hummer stayed in the far lane, the FRS was the one who swung out too far if there was a collision. If this video was available for evidence in the accident, the FRS would definitely be at fault.

You're forgetting the "turned off trac/vsc" part, lol.

Stupid for doing drifts/donuts on public roads, but I'll give some style points on that one :lol:

:burnrubber:

You're either first or you're last.

It would be interesting to see how this is handled. Assuming: a) the Hummer had a stop sign and b) the BRZ did not have a stop sign/light
It is the Hummer's responsibility to yield to the BRZ. And the BRZ has the right to use both lanes.
However, given the ensuing skid marks, I think the BRZ would be ticketed for reckless driving in addition to the Hummer being ticketed for failure to yield.
Thoughts?

Whether you expect it or not is not relevant. The FR-S had the right of way. The Hummer didn't.

The fact that you may not be expecting it is what makes it counter-intuitive. But that's the law.

Nope. When making a u-turn, you're not required to turn into the closest lane, because that's impossible for most vehicles. The FR-S had the right of way into either lane.

Winner!

Although whether the FR-S driver would receive a ticket for spinning out would depend in large part on how he sold it. "I was making a completely 100% legal u-turn, when all of a sudden I saw this idiot in a huge Hummer run the stop sign and come right at me. So I gunned it to try to get out of the way."

The wreck itself would still be the Hummer's fault and would go against his insurance.

Too many people to quote...

I failed my first driving test in this way. I was sitting in the Hummer's position, assumed the car was making a left and not a U-turn, let off the brake to roll forward and then the car kept turning to make the U. I had enough space to continue rolling without any worry (hadn't even gotten to the gas yet) but the DMV employee freaked out and thought I was going to accelerate into the other car, yelled at me to stop and insta-failed me. Maybe if you were in the passenger seat you would agree, time may have warped the story and I am a dumbass but still relevant to this video.

I would absolutely say the Hummer made a bad call. That intersection looks like a not unusual place for a U-turn, the Hummer clearly had a stop sign, it sucks to drive safe sometimes lots of waiting, would have been 20 seconds out of his day as there were no cars behind the 86.

This does not mean the 86 was innocent, definitely grounds for reckless driving the way he handled it, if he had hit the brakes instead of the gas this wouldn't even be a discussion, just another circlejerk about "dumb suv drivers".

Reviewing the video there is still a problem with the FRS turn that would put him at fault if he had a collision and that is that he did not yield right of way to the Hummer. Also, it is hard to see but the hummer does appear to be stopped before he started making his turn.

That said, the biggest problem I have here is with the intersection itself. Is there seriously no stop sign or light for the opposing left hand turn? I've reviewed the video and can only see what I assume is the yellow and black yield post. Certainly the FRS did not stop for that turn at all..

Sorry. Whether the FRS had the right of way or not he was an asshat! he went into that turn far faster then was ever required on the street and lost it because of crappy driving. He then immediately sped away. The Hummer stopped and proceeded with loads of space if the FRS hadn't made his u turn at about 3 times the speed any normal driver would have expected. Hard to tell at the distance but I didn't see any sign of a signal by the FRS that could have given the Hummer warning that he was about to have a car whip around beside him. Here that would have got the FRS driver dangerous driving or possibly even a stunt driving charge and they would not fall for any lame "I saw the other guy turning and gunned it to try to get around him" bullshit.
Anybody else catch what shows up at 19 seconds as the FRS is still under heavy acceleration?

FRS driver -If you are on here. You sir are a moron.


OK guys back to trying to find ways to blame the Hummer driver.

He did not have to yield the right of way to the Hummer. The Hummer did not have the right of way. The FR-S did, douche or not.

It also doesn't matter if the Hummer stopped first. A stop sign in this situation means you stop and stay there until it is safe to proceed. The Hummer stopped, then proceeded before it was safe to do so.

I can agree with that.

The lens on that guy's camera is really wide, which distorts distance. What it looks like to me (and the guy's comment on the video backs it up) is that the FR-S driver attempted to make a u-turn when he didn't really have enough space in oncoming traffic to do so safely, so he gunned it, not expecting the Hummer to run the stop sign right into his path.

I don't need to find a way to blame the Hummer driver. If there had been a collision, the Hummer driver would have been at fault because he ran a stop sign and failed to yield the right of way. It doesn't excuse what the FR-S driver did, but being an asshole doesn't automatically make you legally responsible.

What are you talking about? The FRS had the right of way. Regardless of whether the Hummer was stopped legally, it doesn't matter, as the FRS didn't have a stop sign. (Assuming of course the U-turn was legal there)

That is an assumption that we all have made and it is very possible that we are wrong.

The video says the FR-S had Florida plates. U-turns are legal in Florida unless posted otherwise. You can see in the video that there are no signs there that might prohibit a u-turn.

So unless this is a Florida driver driving in a state where u-turns are illegal, the FR-S had the right of way over the Hummer.

Just goes to show that 200HP is too much for some FR-S drivers to handle.

I encounter this same situation quite often (I live in Florida). It almost seems like no one in Florida is aware of this law and want too look at me like a crazy person and flick me off when I'm making a u-turn right into them.


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But isn't dumping the clutch, or flooring it in an auto in first like that person may have done considered reckless driving? I do that all the time in cul de sacs for u-turns. It's quite reckless and if you did it with other cars or a cop around they would definitely would get put your license in jeopardy

Doesn't change the fact that the FRS had the right of way.

Interesting, although in a legal sense I doubt anything will happen to either drivers though neither stopped

Just spent some time reading through that thread omg I'm speechless

The Hummer probably didn't even check the U turn lane before turning. That being said, had the individual in the FR-S not disabled their traction control and been speeding, that could have been a very elegantly executed turn where both vehicles could have proceeded at the same time, safely.

I don't think the Hummer was "in the right", but I also think it's a bit ridiculous that people in that position often can't turn because most people can't follow the basic rules of turning into the closest lane, or maintaining theirs while doing so when it is a normal-size road, and you aren't driving a larger vehicle that is difficult to maneuver. So many people take up two lanes to execute a turn, or switch lanes while doing so without signaling for no apparent reason (don't need to take the next exit, or turn down an upcoming street).

I apologize for the rant - there are a lot of bad drivers around here. That, and situations such as the one in the video is probably the reason U turning is illegal here in Oregon lol

But I want a turbo!!!


...yeah hahah it is. It's too much for me already as well. Been taking my 102hp pickup to work lately. Need to ease down.

If the u-turner wasn't at fault, there would be a huge problem because there would be literally nothing stopping someone from intentionally causing a collision by performing a u-turn against someone turning right at a stop sign and the person turning right could do literally nothing to stop it and would still be at fault.

Most states and provinces stipulate that the u-turner is responsible for ensuring the u-turn is safe to complete which it clearly wasn't if a collision occurred. This is pretty cut and dry.

Even in places where there isn't such a stipulation, fault will usually still fall to the u-turner for failing to yield right of way to the right turner. This is because the u-turner DOES have a yield sign (the yellow and black stripes bar) which is the same as a stop sign for the purposes of right of way, just that coming to a complete stop isn't required.

That's most certainly not equivalent to a yield sign, it's a road hazard sign. If you do not have a stop sign at an intersection, you definitely have the right of way, so long as the manoeuvre you're making is LEGAL. The U-turn being safe to complete really only applies to traffic on the road you're travelling. As long as the signage is in your favour, buddy at the stop sign needs to wait for you to complete your u-turn as the right of way is lawfully yours.

Funny how a lot of drivers (especially those from the GTA do not understand the rules of the road, or being courteous while driving, which goes hand in hand with driving safely

Ya no.

https://www.insurancehotline.com/at-fault-rules/

Points of interest are sections 5 and 19.

There is no stipulation for if Automobile A is turning right or going straight or if there is a stop sign or not. Automobile B is at fault.

Explicitly states the vehicle making the u-turn is at fault if there is a collision.

From your own source:

This is not cut and dry, lots of variables we can't see.

Edit: Watching the video again I believe both the FRS and Hummer are stopped at that intersection waiting for cars to pass from the very first frame of the video.

If citations were to be handed out imo 86 gets nailed for reckless driving, Hummer gets nailed for some small careless driving or unsafe merge/lane change.

Edit 2: If anything, the sideswipe sections from your link are most applicable and mostly assign a 25/75 or 50/50 fault percentage.

@Ammunition I would love to see you do a u-turn within the space of 2 lanes and a 1 foot wide island, I know I can't without spinning the tires.

Because I love arguing on the internet (yes I probably am retarded) I linked the video to a legal assistant friend and got some opinions so I'm going to put a few nails in this coffin.

Now I have to admit my misunderstanding because realistically, right of way won't ever play into this. She confirmed that U-turners are almost always found at fault in an accident because they are the ones making the more dangerous maneuver so they take on the liability. See section 19 above. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances but these are usually either moving to avoid another vehicle or something was obstructing their view that was out of their control. From what we can see, neither of these are the case here but this would be up to the cops investigation to determine.

Now she did say that a cop might consider this a split fault scenario if the Hummer ran the stop sign but it's still likely the u-turning FRS would be at fault for failing to look/check. Also, as long as the Hummer stopped, it's unlikely the cop will find them at fault because it will be easy to explain that the FRS driver looked like he was just turning left and a reasonable cop probably won't assign fault.

Just wanted to touch on Legal vs. Insurance fault. Yes, legal and insurance fault ARE different things. You may not be at fault legally but if the insurance company believes you could have done something to prevent the accident, they may still find you at fault for insurance purposes but it never works the other way around. If you are found at fault legally, the insurance companies will trust that judgement 100%.

Wrong.

Good Question: Who has the right of way in a u-turn?.

"The driver making a right on red must yield to a driver making a U-turn."

That also applies to stop signs. The Hummer was at the stop sign. The FR-S was in a left turn lane with no signage. The FR-S had the right of way. The Hummer failed to yield the right of way.

And it's that way in most states. Here's a thread where cops set you straight on the concept. Here's another news story quoting another cop to set you straight. And yet another. Here's the same explanation on a Florida police department website. Here's an article quoting a North Carolina DOT official saying the same thing. And here's one from Texas.

Maybe I need to eat crow about this. Either the rules are different here or she doesn't know either but she was clear the majority of u-turn collosions fall on the u-turner. I sent her a message with those links and asked her to check with the lawyer she works for tomorrow.

She probably doesn't understand the question. The majority of u-turn collisions would fall on the u-turner, because in the majority of crashes, the u-turner is going to be colliding with oncoming traffic that has the right of way. That doesn't mean the u-turner will always be at fault. The problem here is we're not talking about oncoming traffic, but the minority of situations where a vehicle is stopped at a stop sign on the other side of the road and pulls out without looking.