I guess the minute somebody says AT the debate has to be started by somebody.
If you think that owning a MT is a requirement of being a "car guy" then you have a lot to learn about the car scene.
There are AT owners out there that can probably drive circles around you and have you bawling like a little child in seconds.
I bet you also believe that RWD is some special thing that requires advanced skill levels to handle.

*bawling

But yes, 100% correct, that +1s 0-60 difference doesn't mean jack if you don't have the balls to carry the maximum amount of speed through a corner.

AHHHH the epitome of writers creating children's stories while obviously using copious amounts of hallucinogens.


http://katelarsen.com/wp-content/upl...School_Bus.jpg

Thanks! I didn't think it looked right but was too pissy to care.

^This

People already complain our car is too slow with "only" 200 horsepower, then half of them are sold in automatics which are even slower and then most people run 91 octane which is slower still

That said, not everyone cares about speed and there are practical reason to get an auto. But if your goal is to become a "car guy" you should be trying to get the best driving experience your vehicle has to offer.

Definitely an excellent car to learn and grow with. Like many others, I recommend getting the 6MT and learn to drive stick in it. I'm one of those people who bought his 6MT and basically learned to drive it when bringing it home from the dealer. A bit scary at first while you stall, jerk the car around and stall some more but it's a good skill to have because you'll never find yourself in a situation that you can't drive a car because the only one available is MT.

Either way, buy an 86. This auto is different, and there is a thread out there on here talking about how you can actually go into a manual mode that is really manual and the auto will refuse to shift for you no matter what, with the one small exception of it will not down shift and blow the engine up.

But if you want to learn how to drive a stick, this is a good car to do it. People complain about the "feel' or other such crap, but this shifter is pretty good and the seating position is excellent. I bought my first manual without having a clue have to drive it. I learned, and it was awesome. You can too.

I love how this car has all the little tech features my last car did not. Good bluetooth, I have a place to plug my ipod into the stereo, a place to plug my phone to charge, and a third outlet in the glove box if I need it as well. My car has nav, and while people complain about it for some reason it is just as good as any oem nav system I have seen. You can get great gas mileage if you don't drive it like you stole it, but when you want to do that it responds great as well.

The only complaint I could possibly have in my 1 week of driving it so far is the total and complete lack of storage space, but I knew that going in and I didn't need it anyways. It has enough room for me to do my laundry at the laundromat, pick up my weekly groceries, and keep a toolbox, a car cover, and one of those shiny things you stick in the windshield so you don't roast your car.

If you want a small sports car and don't want to buy something 20 years old or for boatloads of money, I think this is the best choice.

These cars a great on gas (for a sports car) I have a mixture of 30mpgs with having a 20 mile commute 1 way each day for work. It gets multiple stares and compliments all the time. I prefer manual over automatic just because all my cars have been manual, and they're cheaper.

Now this ^ is how you tell somebody to get a MT!
I agree that everybody should learn to do it and if you can drive MT in one of these you can drive it in anything. These have that nice firm, notchy, precisely gated feel that is missing on so many shift by cable MTs. The biggest hurdle to get over in learning to drive them is the fear of learning to drive them, The rest is all technique.

There is definitely truth to this. In regional autocross, the next fastest CS twin driver above me drives an auto.

Awesome car, get it meow.

1. I don't know how to drive stick (I learned stick on mine)
2. This would be my only DD (DD everyday in North Virginia traffic)
3. My current and only car I've had is an automatic 07 chevy cobalt (Mk4 VW Golf)
4. My driving would be mainly highway (Phoenix, AZ) (North Virginia?)
5. Married but not planning on a family soon (Wanna marry me? :D)

There are cars which the AT does make a huge difference in performance. The Twins are not one of them. If anybody is street driving at the level where the difference between the two makes the MTs performance that much better then we will watch the news for their arrest or fatal crash.

Put it much more tame than I would've. :)
Still groggy from waking up, glad I read threads thoroughly before commenting. If I replied to that post, I would have been banned for sure. lol

Anyhoo, I came from a non-car background. Every time I log in, I learn something new just by reading around. If you feel comfortable in learning MT with your daily, then get the MT. If you want the AT, then buy that.

You cannot go wrong either way. I'd venture to say you aren't the type to do red light races thus the "1 second slower broooooooo, buy MT hurrr durr" doesn't apply here.

Welcome to the forums, enjoy your stay!

What do you mean not a car guy? Do you enjoy driving? Enjoy making the tires squeel in turns even if you are driving a pos daewoo?

If not you wont like this car i guarantee it.