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New Toe Arm Option - FT-86SpeedFactory by Verus

Another great project from FT-86 SpeedFactory and Velox has come to life.

What we have here are some great toe arms that include all the options need to keep your alignment in check, especially if lowered.

Adjust toe quickly and easily to ranges outside the OEM system's capabilities with these lightweight toe control links. Reducing weight by 10 oz. per side, these control links function well and pack a powerful weight savings as well.

Inboard eccentric blocks come standard reducing any and all slop for rear toe. With the optional ride height correction kit, correct improper toe control link geometry caused by lowering of the car. We use this on our race car to correct the arm position.

Construction:
-Billet 6061-T6 Machined Aluminum adjustment rod and eccentric blocks
-Pre Hardened SS shank bushing (no rusting)
-7075 Aluminum Inboard PTFE rod end
-High strength, high mis-alignment steel outboard PTFE Rod end
-High strength zinc coated steel hardware

Features:
-Lightweight design (save 10 oz per side)
-Easy to make adjustments
-No slop bearings and eccentric blocks for toe that will remain consistent
-All aluminum pieces are anodized to reduce corrosion

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/medi...toe-arms_2.jpg

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/medi...e-arms-1_1.jpg

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/medi...e-arms-7_2.jpg

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/medi...e-arms-4_2.jpg

What do you guys think? We're big fans obviously. :party0030:

What would be really cool is if you had a before and after pic under the car with these things installed. :)

Nice job guys.

- Andrew

Do they also have a turn buckle style adjustment?

In what way does lowering affect toe?

Sorry guys, wasn't quite ready for this to be started but that just gets me off the computer to go take some photos :thumbup:. Can't complain about something like that.

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 2406639)

Do they also have a turn buckle style adjustment?

Yessir.

Quote:

Originally Posted by djliquidsteele (Post 2406931)

In what way does lowering affect toe?

Please see below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 2406506)

What would be really cool is if you had a before and after pic under the car with these things installed. :)

Nice job guys.

- Andrew

Thanks Andrew. See below as well for some installed pictures.

If you look on the rear of an OEM FT86 at OEM ride height on the ground, you’ll notice that the toe control link is near horizontal. This was not on accident and makes quite a bit of sense as to why OEM did it this way if we think about it briefly. The rear toe angle is always changing as the suspension cycles up and down. To minimize the amount of toe change during suspension travel, the toe control link should be horizontal while at static ride height. This is not achievable with a lowered vehicle. Therefore, we designed an add on to our rear toe control links which restores the OEM geometry by bringing the toe link back to near horizontal on a lowered FR-S/BRZ/GT86.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps7fhi8qpm.jpg
Rear toe control link installed on a stock ride height vehicle.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps2gpv8ko6.jpg
Using a level, we can easily see that the toe link is near horizontal at stock ride height.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psltqflije.jpg
As we reduce ride height, the toe control link moves further away from horizontal at static ride height. This may be hard to view in this picture though.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psopqtnz6g.jpg
In this photo it is clear to see that the level is showing the link is clearly no longer horizontal.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psxp8xbyrk.jpg
With the spacer installed, we can see that the toe link has been brought back to a near OEM position.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psqkvgauyj.jpg
Final evidence that at ~1.25"-1.38" of static ride height reduction results in a horizontal toe control link, restoring OEM geometry for the toe link.

Rear toe is an important area of vehicle setups. A BRZ/FRS being driven in a performance situation will benefit from more rear toe stability during hard driving. This will aid in making the handling as consistent as possible when pushing the vehicle hard while lowered.

I'm confused, though that doesn't take much. It has inboard eccentric blocks for toe adjustment, as well as a turn buckle style adjustment?

Nice looking product. I'm glad someone finally put geometry adjustment into one of these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 2407137)

The eccentric blocks are just that, they actually block the eccentric function which is used with the OEM toe control link.

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/medi...e-arms-9_2.jpg

If you look at the inboard point, you can see that there is a long oval, this fits within the eccentric hole and blocks nearly all movement from this inboard point. Hope this clears it up :burnrubber:.

I like that it comes ready for spacing out to account for a changed ride height, as far as I know these are the only toe arms to do so?

Do you have before and after measurements for bump steer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 2407562)

I like that it comes ready for spacing out to account for a changed ride height, as far as I know these are the only toe arms to do so?

We believe so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PST (Post 2407582)

Do you have before and after measurements for bump steer?

We approximated it in CAD but have not verified this measurement on car.

So what's making link level at lowered ride heights? The part being advertised or the spacer? Or both? Or is the spacer not needed since the part is adjustable and that's what you are trying to show? I'm missing something stupid here I'm sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEDI (Post 2407885)

The spacer does. Though the toe control link can be used on lowered and non-lowered vehicles just fine as is (no spacer) just like all other units out there to my knowledge. It's an add on that we thought would be nice to offer.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5649/...d7130e3404.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotEric6 (Post 2407005)

Sorry guys, wasn't quite ready for this to be started but that just gets me off the computer to go take some photos :thumbup:. Can't complain about something like that.

Yessir.

Please see below.

Thanks Andrew. See below as well for some installed pictures.

If you look on the rear of an OEM FT86 at OEM ride height on the ground, you’ll notice that the toe control link is near horizontal. This was not on accident and makes quite a bit of sense as to why OEM did it this way if we think about it briefly. The rear toe angle is always changing as the suspension cycles up and down. To minimize the amount of toe change during suspension travel, the toe control link should be horizontal while at static ride height. This is not achievable with a lowered vehicle. Therefore, we designed an add on to our rear toe control links which restores the OEM geometry by bringing the toe link back to near horizontal on a lowered FR-S/BRZ/GT86.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps7fhi8qpm.jpg
Rear toe control link installed on a stock ride height vehicle.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...ps2gpv8ko6.jpg
Using a level, we can easily see that the toe link is near horizontal at stock ride height.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psltqflije.jpg
As we reduce ride height, the toe control link moves further away from horizontal at static ride height. This may be hard to view in this picture though.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psopqtnz6g.jpg
In this photo it is clear to see that the level is showing the link is clearly no longer horizontal.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psxp8xbyrk.jpg
With the spacer installed, we can see that the toe link has been brought back to a near OEM position.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j8...psqkvgauyj.jpg
Final evidence that at ~1.25"-1.38" of static ride height reduction results in a horizontal toe control link, restoring OEM geometry for the toe link.

Rear toe is an important area of vehicle setups. A BRZ/FRS being driven in a performance situation will benefit from more rear toe stability during hard driving. This will aid in making the handling as consistent as possible when pushing the vehicle hard while lowered.

I'd hit it. :w00t:

Any problem with the bolt and the parking brake cable making contact, particularly with the spacer? looks like there is only a few mm of clearance on the one without spacer. The one with spacer look like you guys pulled it aside to make room.

@NotEric6 I certainly have a better understanding of what the product does and why it would be needed, so thanks for that. However, I guess what I want to know is does lowering change the toe in or out? Or just the affect suspension travel has on toe? To be more specific, I had an alignment done when I was lowered on RCE Yellows and had 1/8" of toe in. I have since installed Tein Flex Z's and am at about 40mm of drop from stock. Did this add or take away any toe in?