I still don't get it, I'm a retard here. Holding down the trac Off button for 3 seconds will allow you to do donuts, drift, whatever all day and nothing feels like
it's holding back the car any like if you just push the trac off or VSC buttons. Can anybody explain exactly, like I am a child, what the dance does different from the OFF button being held for 3 seconds?

When you hold the trac off button yes you can drift and do doughnuts but the computer is still distributing brake force and still actually in control, in fact you can sometimes feel the inner wheel being braked slightly if your intuitive enough. The pedal dance COMPLETELY DISABLES THE DISTRIBUTION OF BRAKE FORCE!

To quote @CSG Mike posts here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494
and here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34453

"Without the brake dance, if you upset the car's computers enough, it will still re-engage traction and stability control. This specifically involves enough of a loss of traction that you're getting what the ECU believe to be uncontrolled wheelspin, the equivalent of lifting a rear wheel. The slip light will turn solid, and the traction/stability lights will turn off. After the "uncontrolled wheel spin" is eliminated, the slip light will turn off, and the traction/stability lights will turn back on (indicating that the systems are again "disabled")"


Honestly from from your post you seem to like hooning like all of us and the pedal dance isn't necessary to do a few doughnuts and sideways action in a parking lot

interesting i didn't know about the pedal dance.

but yeah holding the tcs button for a few seconds allows plenty of slip angle for me (and chris harris)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18962

Of note: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...90&postcount=5

That's a completely valid concern...

LOL this is a common dilemma I know to well. Im more worried about other drivers. first week of owning my frs was a nightmare. I realized that people dont like to check their blind spots. damn those toronto drivers!

But thanks for the tips, still new to these types of driving modes. my old beater only had a normal mode haha. ;)

Yeah, I've had a couple of those damn kids scare the hell out of me as well. I was on my way to work the late shift at the drag club yesterday driving my favorite route, had the cruise control set at about 50 to collect some good datalogs. This is a nice rural road with very little traffic, a couple of 4-ways and some nice twisties. I had gotten a late start so I was looking at myself in the mirror and trying to get my makeup finished, but I was still paying attention to what was going on. I noticed at the upcoming intersection one of those young kids was coming up to the 4-way stop on my left pretty quickly and since the stop sign on my lane doesn't have the white border around it I usually just ignore it and rather than stop I just slow down a little bit. Anyway, like I said I was running a little late and was trying to get my makeup done, I totally forgot that I hadn't finished the first beer in the cupholder and when I reached over to grab another one out of the cooler that stupid kid pulled right out in front of me without coming to a complete stop. I know for a fact that his stop sign has the white border all the way around it and it is clearly marked 4-way stop so he was completely in the wrong. I wasn't sure exactly what to do as I was approaching him rather quickly, now it's hard to describe but once you go through that intersection you climb a slight hill which leads to a blind corner to the left. Most of time I won't pass in this area but since I was already running late and it was getting dark I figured it was no big deal cause I could probably see the oncoming lights. As I went to go around him the little asshole started to speed up like he wanted to race. Now I was already pissed off that he cut me off and it didn't help that my only cupholder was occupied and I had no place to set my beer down. I was trying to steer with my knees so I didn't get makeup all over the car. It's times like these where I wish I had an automatic, but I was able to downshift and get around him but it took a little longer than normal and when I cut back over he was right on my tail. At this point I'd had enough. I figured the best thing to do was to brake check him so he would know I was pissed, I hurried up and finished the first beer and tossed the can out the window, normally I wouldn't do that because I recycle but I was mad and my anger got the best of me. I was spending so much time trying to block him from passing me I totally didn't see the light ahead of me change to red. I had to slam on the brakes so hard that I ended up spilling my beer. It wasn't an expensive microbrew, but still I hate spilling beer in my car! The good news is that I got his liscense number and when I called the Sherrif to explain the situation they asked me if I was driving a whiteout, I said yeah, how did you know? That little bastard kid called the cops on me and tried to make it sound like I was the one in the wrong. I've been driving for nearly forty years and I have never spilled a beer in the car before this bad, well at least since I got out of prison. I think the cop understood my position, but I'm not sure, he seemed kind of young himself. I don't think he had much training because he acted like he'd never heard of the white bordered stop sign rule either. He said that they have been getting lots of calls lately and might have to step up enforcement on that road. I said that would be a good idea and that maybe they will catch that little bastard. Damn kids! It was a good thing I didn't have pedal dance enabled or shit could have gotten ugly.

^Can't tell if serious and mentally challenged or trolling