The 1LE and Z/28 packages were just examples of what can be done to the Camaro platform itself. Similar to the FR-S, you can upgrade the suspension for much cheaper than $10k.

No matter what you do to a massive car, it's still a massive car. Pigs can dance, but they're still pigs.

This chassis is transformational for GM. The ATS is a legitimate market contender, the V version clocked a 2:59 during lightning lap at VIR. The new Camaro will likely far exceed expectations and may be lighter than the Mustang in similar trim. Tuning potential for the turbo four?????? Chevy sells the current 1LE and Z28 suspension setups over the counter (check out the Grass Roots car) for a steal. However we have flown way past the original 30K.

Ford said they were going the shed weight on the new mustang......


They added weight

No they weren't; they never said that. That was actually a rather baseless rumour spread on the web.

Though, I don't even know how people online thought that would be possible with Ford newly adding an independent rear suspension to the Mustang and thus adding even more weight.

Here was the source for the baseless rumor.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/2015...cat=affiliates

Edmunds isn't in the habit of rumor mongering to my knowledge.

Wow. Nine "the source said" in one article. That read like one of those terrible BRZ STi rumour articles published during this year April. Haha.


Really though, this said it all.

Whenever I read these threads, I'm always blown away by how many people know so much about cars that they haven't driven.

Yes, it's like historians who study something without having even been alive at the time. I have consistently found that reviews in aggregate give wonderfully accurate information. The frs drives exactly as the bulk of reviews said it would.

Buy the Camaro or don't. Get an BRZ/FRS or don't. You don't need forum posts to support your decision do you? The FT86Club forum may curse you if you get a Comaro but you will make new "friends" at the Chevy forum.
The world will not implode due to your car purchasing decision.

But that's you taking opinions. I've seen enough bad reviews of the twins to know that you should take every review with a grain of salt.

But then I always forget that the only cars superior to the twins are Cayman's and 100k+ supercars, but then only ones that have manual trannys.

EDIT: And after being in a ride along in a friend's 2015 Mustang GT, that is a capable (to me) car. It's comfy, fast and can handle surprisingly well, considering everyone and their mother on the internet says if you try to turn a Mustang, it'll explode. I've stopped putting the twins on the pedestal, since I know that it isn't the "right" car for me. It's also funny how when any car gets brought up in comparison the argument always comes back to "But it's so heavy, wah wah wah wah". Yes, the twins provide a great driving experience, but is it REALLY that much better of an experience?

You can talk sales numbers all you want about the Twins outselling everything else in their "category" (Ie, 2 door sports car, so Twins, Miata, 350/370, Genesis, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, whatever else I'm missing) but, the twins are also the cheapest, are they not? That was a pretty big selling point for me, and they got even cheaper, because I got an employee discount and a grad rebate. If they were all equal price, I probably would have gotten into something else.

I'm with @Bergen23 on this one. At the end of the day, of all the cars I was looking at in 2012 when I ended up with the FR-S, it was the price that was the final deciding factor. Had it been 10% more expensive, I would have ended up with a different car.


All vehicles have compromises somewhere. You just have to be able to live with them for the price you pay.

Price was indeed a factor when I bought mine as well but not for the same reason as many. I was cross shopping with cars up to the $80K range and could easily have afforded one. As I have said before with the mileage I drive I chew cars up pretty fast and only keep them 4 or 5 years at best. I didn't want to rack up mega miles on an expensive Porsche or such so went with the FRS as an inexpensive, throwaway alternative (1/2 this forum just had a stroke at that I am sure).
Two seaters were right out of my list as I still wanted the availability of rear seats and the "muscle cars" all seemed to be way bigger and thirsty for gas then I wanted. The hot hatches held some appeal but my last 3 cars were all in that class and I wanted something a bit different. This left we with a very limited choice in new, "inexpensive" coupes. Unlike many I had seen the release of the FRS but never gave it much thought at the time and pretty much forgotten it existed. When I stumbled across it again at the dealers the price point got me in the seat for a test drive and the rest is history. If it had been much more I would have been in a 370Z or Genesis coupe for the simple fact they were tried and true already.

Pretty much the same here, my "shopping list" ranged from about $20,000 to a little over $70,000 when I bought the car. Had the C7 been available in 2012 there is a very good chance it would have won out over the FR-S (I didn't care much for the C6).


In the end, the "throwaway" aspect of the pricing in my situation won out for me as well.