Dude you never hear of cars where the new style sucked big time? A new style is not always a death sentence it can sometimes drive values of the previous models through the roof. If any new one comes out as a heavy, fat, rolling cow then you can count on the old style holding or gaining value.
All that aside if you are looking for ROI on a car you are in the wrong place anyway.

http://www.cruisinclassicsinc.com/ga...184_main_l.jpg

That's only because we are in the 4th year of production.

I expect this run rate to spike to 1 speculation thread per 2-3 days once a facelift is announced.

-alex

Blog announced or for real announced?

Honestly the stock exhaust is pretty free-flowing after the header. You can squeeze a few extra horses out of a full exhaust system but it isn't as substantial as other cars. This is why many professionals recommend replacing the header but not the rest of the exhaust. I believe CSG and Jackson Racing still use stock headerbacks on their track cars. I also have the stock exhaust on mine and I'm making between 250-280whp.

Back when I was running a Tomei 60S catback, I was still making the same level of power and using the same tune as with the stock exhaust setup. The extra volume was nice but personally I didn't find it necessary.

Ahhhh very good point... Never thought of that!

When I say ROI I don't actually mean purposely investing in this expecting a return. But it is an investment... And one day we'll get some sort of return on it if/when we sell it..

feel me bois?:bonk:

But yes smiles are the best ROI money can buy.

The discontinuation can go both ways. I'd actually rather see this car continue on through toyota's/subaru's line into a perminate model. Such as the Mustang to Ford. Think of it this way... everyone here has the first generation of the frs/brz/gt86/toyota86, imagine if they continue to make these cars for the next 50 years (we'll use that as an example). Ford did it with the mustang. Imagine, having the first production model of a new series of cars (64 mustang). If you have a 2013 frs and the year is 2050, you have the first generation of this 86car.

My brain is all jumbled up because i'm at work, but I believe/ hope you get my point.

Dicontinued car = more rare (Ford Edsel) = harder to find parts = more expensive parts = oem parts become scarce = aftermarket parts become more abundant = no original = not worth as much.

too many variables.

Did someone say facelift?

When can I get a style CB front end? Any importers want my money?

http://gazooracing.com/pages/autosal...b/photo_01.jpg

If you wanted a limited production model you should have bought a 10 Series or a 1.0.

^^^ This. Or the series blue.

I saw this car just a bit over a week ago in Japan at Mega Web:

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...ed&oe=56690E94
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...55&oe=5675E605

For the price premium Toyota is asking, I don't think it's worth it. But let's hope female buyers in Japan are different...

-alex

:coolpics:
Agreed, something like $35k-$40k USD just straight currency conversion? Would be less here but still likely above $30k for the full up model which includes a lot of stuff I don't care about (taillights, leather, re-worked dash etc.)

I just want the bumper and everything associated to make it fit (headlight housings, clips, etc.) I would be surprised if they bothered to change any mounting points, looks like the fenders and hood are unchanged. That shouldn't cost much more than two grand or so for the unpainted bumper and bits and bobs... But I suppose it is limited and with Toyota JDM markup, and they've required VIN's for special replacements in the past, I'll likely never get it unless I go over there myself and steal one.

Assuming GT Limited = $26k FRS, the Style CB is around $34-35k USD assuming the same price delta.

At that price point, it would be a supreme flop here. But there was enough demand in the Japan Domestic Market to justify production of it.

-alex

Next level JDM bro.

:lol:

Regardless of when production ceases, and regardless of how many are bought, the number of these on the road will probably decrease as new young drivers, over confident drivers and ridiculously huge lifted trucks/suv keep flooding the roads. The car is little, I've almost been crushed dozens of times since I got my BRZ in December. The dmv written and driving test have become a joke and apparently people are not aware of road sign warnings or how to approach these "stressful and uncomfortable" driving situations. Because the cars are still pretty uncommon, for every new FRS/BRZ sold, two bite the dust. I imagine even a moderate accident, which may not total your standard sedan on the road but more than likely will total out these. Most people may not find themselves wanting to replace with another brz/frs, they would head to, yes, the Mustangs, corvettes, lexus, and maybe straight to Subaru WRX sti etc. Especially after upgrading their brz frs to their liking etc, to have to start over because there is a possibility that the once optional packages may not exist or the base models in the future may all be AWD, A/T, etc and completely unappealing to those who drove the original. Put a Jackson Racing Supercharger into my 2013, and I preferred that there was no dealer package for increased power via turbo or whatever else they could have tried right out of the gate. I like knowing that my BRZ is stealthy and, right now in my area, very unexpected. I would start another brz over if I had to, but I won't be interested in any upcoming production models, and would rather struggle to get the parts, support and general maintenance with current models because the possible future twice will undoubtedly evolve into versions incompatible with previous generations. Betting it will get bigger, actually holding 4 non-parapalegic passengers and maybe even offering 4dr should the market sway the options.
Sorry , my point seems undefined after trying to type this while my 4yr old attempts to discourage me. '16 last year, anything after would be like 3rd Gen Integras becoming RSXs which was a big change. But only time will tell lol

NTHEBRZ

Most of what you said makes sense but this is a little extreme and I am sure it is also totally unsupportable.
Yes they may get in more accidents then some but if this would be the case all of our insurance rates would be quadrupled by now.

Maybe he meant in 50 years 1/3 will have survived worth saving, which may be true looking at sports cars that were affordable over the past 50 years... There's a reason most clean '85 Corollas fetch >$8k (it's original purchase price) nowadays...

That is just never going to happen at Toyota. The only truly perminate model is the Land Cruiser.

Ya that I could believe.

Agreed.

OK, I usually have a strong personal no grammar/spelling natzi policy ( I screw up too much to critique) but this one is just toooo good to pass up.

Pretty sure no company wants a "perminate" car!

From Urban Dictionary:
perminate
a smell that is so stinkey that it perminates through the air!
some one took a shit in the toilet and the smell was so bad it was perminating through the air!!!!!!!

the house smelled like shit so bad it was perminate!

shit perminated for ever after cameran diaze came out of the bathroom!


I am pretty sure they would much prefer a permanent model line.

Sorry, but not sorry. No autocorrect on the forum to help me with my horrible spelling :p

I ain't no murch grammeriticaaly currect that a fly.

Oh dude no sorry needed. I have gone back and read shit I wrote and wondered how anybody figured out what I meant. It was just toooo funny with what the typo was defined as is all.

What internet browser or cell phone doesn't have auto correct built in?

http://brandthunder.com/wp/wp-conten...WW-browser.png

http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/file/...phone_1109.jpg

Apparently my work computer. lol

Haha, I just asked myself what that word meant exactly, but did not search for its definition. So I copy-pasted.


Thanks for giving the definition.


:bonk:

You would think looking in foresight that autocorrect would aid the spelling of a society..... Every misspelled word corrects itself! Everyone will always be corrected and know how to spell thingz next time!

quite the opposite has happened. I spell like a downy since college because of autocorrect..

Nobody pays attention when it fixes it so they think they spelled it right. Now if it gave a you a shock each time it had to fix it...

Well now, @Tcoat, that wouldn't work for us who are short term memory challenged ....... and by the time our long term memory kicked in, all we would remember was that we were shocked ...... and it was Tcoats's idea ...... :mad0260:

What was this thread about ??...... :sigh:


humfrz

How about if it gave you a hard candy each time then?

Yeah, very delayed here with this, but I meant many years down the road.
And since it's not a "perminate" model, that's a real bonus for an early model sports car and it's overall desirability.
And also, I don't think I've grown a pair since last I checked...yup...still female. :D



NTHEBRZ
Roseville

Better late than never!
The way it was written sounded like by the time a car rolls off the line two have already been smashed up. If that was the case we would be in the negative numbers by now. If you meant that they will get wrecked at a faster rate then some other cars then ya they probably will.


How are we supposed to know what body parts you have (and why does it matter anyway)?

I've seen others talk about this before but... Part of the issue is that a good chunk of dealerships with the twins know nothing about them and/or how to sell them...

I kid you not but one dealer tried to sell me on the car by hyping up the "numerous" technological features of the interior.

Out of curiosity does anyone know how the Genesis is selling / has experience dealing with Hyundai dealers? I wonder if their pitch is more refined...

Like always dealer experiences vary. My Toyota dealership sells very few Scions and they were very upfront about saying they didn't know much about it. Cant say how well the Genesis is selling overall but around here there are probably 10 for every FRS I see. I did look at them and the salesman was pushing it like it was some super car. "Best acceleration in class" Handling can't be beat by anything" "Most high tech electronics in the market" You would think it was a bloody $200K car the way he hyped it up.

Could also be the time of the year I looked... The Genesis I find interesting because I feel like it successfully sells to the demographic the FRS/BRZ execs want to sell to...

They are a very nice GT type coupe. Was second in line in my choices. I never test drove the V6 but if I had it may even have won me over.

Yeah I have a friend who owns one he's very satisfied, the Genesis is part of what got me to start looking but (and it's hard to put into words) it just wasn't as tight...