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why? 08-07-2015 10:54 PM

series.blue used values
 
So I am going to go to a dealership that actually has two used series.blues #1#2on the lot. From what I have seen maybe at least 1 they have had for a month, so I am hoping to negotiate the hell out of them.

Does anyone have any actual prices for these barely used cars? I've looked around online and I have not come up with anything concrete. I really want one of these but I really don't want to spend the money.

Veloist 08-07-2015 11:25 PM

Yeah look at the sticker on the door for the date of production. Determine how many months it's been on the road for. How many miles does it have?

The residual value for a BRZ Series.Blue after 24 months with 20,000 miles is 59%. That's 17,868.15 from an MSRP of $30,285. Obviously the car isn't two years old, but if it has 20,000 miles you can use this as a negotiation tool.

Also, the invoice of the BRZ Series.Blue when new was $28,763. So I wouldn't pay more than that.

If you average the invoice & the residual value you'll get $23,315.58. I'd say this is a fair price especially because it is a limited edition car and hasn't even been out for a year. If the car has low miles, expect to pay 10-20% more than this.

Here's some pricing reference:

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...es.Blue-t56038

tyrantcf 08-07-2015 11:30 PM

Id be surprised if they let it go for less than $26k

spicyricecake 08-08-2015 06:01 AM

yeah you're dreaming if you think they'd let it go for ~24k. Series blue is still in demand

why? 08-08-2015 07:42 AM

Is it? There are so many of them sitting on dealers lots, it is kind of crazy. Plus it looks like they've had both for a month, and dealers hate that. We'll see what happens.

raven1231 08-08-2015 07:45 AM

They are super rare collectors cars bro

why? 08-08-2015 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2350652)
They are super rare collectors cars bro

lol. Sure they are. Next your going to say my Yaris is a collectible because dealers hate stocking them.:laughabove:

raven1231 08-08-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2350655)
lol. Sure they are. Next your going to say my Yaris is a collectible because dealers hate stocking them.:laughabove:

Yaris doesn't come with black rims and a lip kit. Unless you mean the eco power edition?!

Veloist 08-08-2015 12:00 PM

Yeah a car that's in demand doesn't sit on a lot for a month lol.

Use good negotiation tools. Give the salesperson a lot of reasons why you do not want buy the car. Tell them you don't like the color, or if it has too many miles. Tell them you can get a new BRZ/FR-S for exactly or less than this used one. Whatever you do, don't acknowledge that you're aware that the series.blue is a limited edition car.

spicyricecake 08-08-2015 01:44 PM

A couple of months back we confirmed that all series Blues were sold, and also there were only a couple of used series blue listings. (Someone totaled their car and wanted a series blue). I'm sure the dealer doesn't like the car sitting there, but if they're not stupid, they'll know it'll eventually sell

Just my opinion though! I know someone sold one private party for much more than what veloist is suggesting

Speed2th 08-08-2015 01:51 PM

I am curious how much you can end up getting it. But my feeling about it is that dealer are pretty firm with the price. it is still 2015 and no 2016 model yet, and they knew it is limited, they may not pricing like other cars and that is why they are in the lot for a long time. Another thing is that if it is not local trade in, they might paid a lot at auction. I am also sure the dealer doesnt mind to put it at showroom or road display since it has factory aero kit and sti wheels to attract peoples attention. See, you made us click their web site already, their site exposure hit sure gone up after they have those vehicles (marketing tool). In addition, some people are looking for particular model and the chance for them to sell the car out of town or state is good. my whole point is that i don't think they are desperate in selling them quick.

why? 08-08-2015 02:52 PM

Yea, that could be true if they had one they were showing off, but having two makes me think they thought they could sell them.

I'd be shocked if it wasn't a trade in simply because there are only 2 other brz's anywhere near me and both are used. No new inventory at all.

But we'll see. If they won't budge I'm not going to buy it. Not interested in a used car that is more than the new ones.

GreenMonster 08-09-2015 08:16 PM

The ones at planet subaru are over priced. People were buying series blues for invoice which was about $27 and change when they were new. Not many made it into New England, so any series blues you see for sales were "imported" from other states.

Both have been there for over a month.

Here's the autocheck report for both:

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/Vehicle...s&aff=national

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/Vehicle...s&aff=national

I've been watching prices in our area for the past year and a half, and planet seems to offer a lot of inventory that they've bought at auction.

GreenMonster 08-09-2015 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2350848)
I'd be shocked if it wasn't a trade in simply because there are only 2 other brz's anywhere near me and both are used. No new inventory at all.

Ordering for 2016's opens up in September IIRC. I'd have to search to find noodleface's post for more details.

Search for series blue and "how much did you pay" threads here for pricing (new and used)...

There's a bunch of used twins on craiglist in our area.

http://southcoast.craigslist.org/sea...7Cfrs%7Cbrz%29

why? 08-09-2015 08:55 PM

hmm, that's interesting. I generally hate craigslist, but it is worth checking out. I went there today and they were sealcoating their entire driveway it seemed. They foolishly locked a ton of cars inside their service area, and they would not even let me see them, never mind take the time to actually drive one. Just insane.

And then I was also talking about the WRX and mentioned taking a look at one, and the salesperson wouldn't even pretend to think about taking the keys and letting me get in one. The usual subaru bs nonsense that you see on way too many threads. I'd never go back if they didn't have a car I was interested in. Hey moron, you are selling $30k subaru's, not 6 figure supercars. This will always be my biggest complaint about subaru.

pinski 08-10-2015 11:30 AM

Here's one near me with 4k miles, asking $25.9k.

why? 08-10-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pinski (Post 2352120)
Here's one near me with 4k miles, asking $25.9k.

That is priced a little more reasonably. I so need to move down south.

GreenMonster 08-10-2015 07:05 PM

There's some series blue value talk in spicy's thread here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77422

spicyricecake 08-10-2015 07:09 PM

Keep in mind that my thread was nearly 8 months ago when Series blue was half a year old, and still had new ones in stock. Prices are no where near the same right now IMO

Slow_86 08-10-2015 07:33 PM

I bought my Series.Blue for 26K OTD with 4500 miles on it. They were asking almost 28. Granted this one had many mods to it (coils, wheels, bbk, oft, ofh).

adamg 08-10-2015 07:34 PM

guarantee they wont drop more than $1k off the price but good luck haha

why? 08-11-2015 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 2352631)
Keep in mind that my thread was nearly 8 months ago when Series blue was half a year old, and still had new ones in stock. Prices are no where near the same right now IMO

unfortunately they seem to be. Their seem to be a few across the country with around 4000 miles, almost wonder if they were the press fleet. The least expensive one I've seen is the one posted above here, and the most expensive are the two at the dealership sort of near me.

I'd think for used cars that are just as expensive as the brand new ones there would be negotiating room. We will just have to see. If not, I'll have to rethink what I am going to buy.

adamg 08-11-2015 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2353186)
unfortunately they seem to be. Their seem to be a few across the country with around 4000 miles, almost wonder if they were the press fleet. The least expensive one I've seen is the one posted above here, and the most expensive are the two at the dealership sort of near me.

I'd think for used cars that are just as expensive as the brand new ones there would be negotiating room. We will just have to see. If not, I'll have to rethink what I am going to buy.

its actually more expensive if you plan on making payments. I bought my series blue for $29k at 1.9% interest rate. If you get one used for $25-28k with a 5-7% interest rate you'll be thousands over the cost of a new one. Might as well just buy a 2016 if thats the case

jinyang1590 08-11-2015 12:31 PM

For what its worth, when a car this new goes up for sale. It is almost always sold out of auction from a fleet of rental cars. I don't know how you feel about buying a car that was used as a rental vehicle. But assuming that this car is manual (which i think all series blue are) whatever rental company that had this as part of their fleet probably had a hard time renting it out. The miles that it has is probably from the employees of the rental companies hooning and beating on the cars. And if was actually rented out, the people that would rent a car like this most likely abused it a bit as well. Good luck with your decision!

why? 08-11-2015 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by adamg (Post 2353219)
its actually more expensive if you plan on making payments. I bought my series blue for $29k at 1.9% interest rate. If you get one used for $25-28k with a 5-7% interest rate you'll be thousands over the cost of a new one. Might as well just buy a 2016 if thats the case

If you take a %5-%7 interest rate on anything today, you have mental health issues. Subaru and Toyota are offering .9% on brand new ones right now, so I would do that first if they tried to pull that crap. I just was approved at 2.49% from my local bank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinyang1590 (Post 2353384)
For what its worth, when a car this new goes up for sale. It is almost always sold out of auction from a fleet of rental cars. I don't know how you feel about buying a car that was used as a rental vehicle. But assuming that this car is manual (which i think all series blue are) whatever rental company that had this as part of their fleet probably had a hard time renting it out. The miles that it has is probably from the employees of the rental companies hooning and beating on the cars. And if was actually rented out, the people that would rent a car like this most likely abused it a bit as well. Good luck with your decision!

Yea, if you look up above @GreenMonster posted links that make it look like both cars had rental history of some sort. Just another thing to bring to the negotiation table. Every tool can help drive the price down.

GreenMonster 08-11-2015 03:55 PM

Probably just leases. Rentals are usually cheap automatics, not limited edition manuals...

adamg 08-11-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 2353636)
If you take a %5-%7 interest rate on anything today, you have mental health issues.

haha i know a lot of people that take up to 10% loans out, its insane but for used cars most i see people take out is in the 5% range which is still crazy

why? 08-11-2015 06:57 PM

That really is, no matter how bad your credit is there are so many banks that are willing to give crazy low apr loans.

Hyper4mance2k 08-12-2015 12:47 AM

I paid 28,500 out the door for mine. 5 months old with 9000 miles when I bought it. It was the cheapest one I could find in the country last April. I recently saw one selling for $32,000. A car is only worth what someone will pay for it, not what some random person on a forum tells you it's worth.

spicyricecake 08-12-2015 01:28 AM

^^ what he said. I know a friend who sold his privately for 27k before taxes. You can buy a brand new one at that price! But there are people willing to pay for limited editions. You might wanna just grab a new limited at 0.9%

why? 08-12-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by spicyricecake (Post 2354321)
^^ what he said. I know a friend who sold his privately for 27k before taxes. You can buy a brand new one at that price! But there are people willing to pay for limited editions. You might wanna just grab a new limited at 0.9%

Yea started looking at those too, you can get 0% financing in the southeast for them. Man I just wish I could get an auto, they are so much cheaper.

Stang70Fastback 08-13-2015 06:04 AM

Wow. Some of the prices people are paying for these seem rather high. I bought mine brand new for 27,350+TTL back in October. Maybe that's because winter was coming and I live in Chicago, lol.

spicyricecake 08-13-2015 09:19 AM

yeah the twins are way more expensive in general in Florida where there's almost never any snow...

why? 08-13-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2355811)
Wow. Some of the prices people are paying for these seem rather high. I bought mine brand new for 27,350+TTL back in October. Maybe that's because winter was coming and I live in Chicago, lol.

That is what I've been thinking. Maybe I need to wait for the 2016's and the snow to come, I am pretty sure none of these are going to sell if the dealers won't negotiate at all.

GreenMonster 08-13-2015 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback (Post 2355811)
Wow. Some of the prices people are paying for these seem rather high. I bought mine brand new for 27,350+TTL back in October. Maybe that's because winter was coming and I live in Chicago, lol.

Yep. That's what I've been saying... Planet Subaru always has some BRZ inventory while other dealers don't, but they charge a premium for what the do offer it seems.

why? 08-16-2015 05:37 PM

So I just had the absolute worst dealer experience ever. The salesperson was totally clueless and thought that was a good thing, absolutely refused to even pretend to try and negotiate, when we brought up prices in other parts of the country he actually laughed about buying a car and having it shipped. I've read about arrogant Subaru salesperson, but holy crap this guy was treating subaru's like they were Ferrari's. Just total asshole mode today. I mean seriously, I traveled almost an hour to visit, treat me like I am a human, not someone who has zero clue. I bet this place will be in trouble within the year. You know where I went, planet subaru. This place makes the black plague look good. If you want to meet an amazingly clueless arrogant salesperson, go there. Seriously makes me want to never even think about Subaru, even though I've been a gigantic fan for 15+ years.

Stang70Fastback 08-17-2015 12:22 AM

Thst sucks, man, but don't forget that the salespeople only really represent the dealership, and that while the dealership does "represent" the manufacture, we know that isn't really the case.

Having said that, I think the problem with Subaru's recent explosive sales growth in the past few years (and resulting lack of inventory) is that many sales people aren't worried about turning a customer away because they know there are 10 more lined up ready to buy it.

When I bought my Series.Blue, I first tried the local dealership where I lived, and the sales person was pretty much an arrogant asshole. Then someone on this very forum recommended a different dealership on the other side of Chicago, and I had a fantastic experience there and they went above and beyond to get me taken care of.

spicyricecake 08-17-2015 01:36 AM

Something I learned in the IT business is that if at first the bottom of the chain of command is an idiot/asshole, move up the food chain. Chew their asses out, and move on.

Speed2th 08-17-2015 04:47 AM

Subaru sells itself hence some local salesmen are rude or clueless but still can survival. Believe it or not, but the first month most of dealers of sunny states (i.e California) sells series blue with mark up price or within msrp. Series blue were also delivered before all of other 2015 brz into the dealership.

why? 08-17-2015 07:22 AM

Yea, doesn't surprise me. Just moving on to talking to dealers online now that I know I love the car.


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